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by JacobJans 2700 days ago
Why is copyright infringement tolerated on HN?
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Please don't post like this. It's tedious and always the same.

This is in the FAQ at https://news.ycombinator.com/newsfaq.html and there's more explanation here:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10178989

https://hn.algolia.com/?sort=byDate&dateRange=all&type=comme...

We detached this subthread from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19041410 and marked it off-topic.

There is no infringement in posting that link.

People who click on it may or may not be infringing (that's really unclear).

Because some subscribe to criteria of "fair use" that differ from yours.
I think what shouldn't be tolerated are paywalled articles.

How are you supposed to discuss something that is not freely distributed?

Why are paywalled articles tolerated on HN?

Personally, I would feel no loss if all paywalled articles were simply omitted.

I would like to see a paywall icon. So I could just not bother to click the link.
People upvote the content they want to see. Implicitly, whether something is paywalled or not is already included in that judgment. What's more, people keep upvoting paywalled content because non-paywalled content isn't providing the same level of content. By not tolerating paywalled content you are making an explicit call for less content of the type that HN readers say they want to see.

You could make the argument that HN readers shouldn't upvote the things they are upvoting, that HN would be a better place if people didn't upvote the things they are upvoting, or that there might be a longer term benefit to be gained from accepting short term losses by eschewing paywalled articles. Those are all things people could argue.

But the fact that they show up on the front page with regular basis is explicit evidence that, even if you feel they have no value, other people do.

> Implicitly, whether something is paywalled or not is already included in that judgment.

No, it's not.

If those of us who despise this could downvote the article, then your statement would be correct.

Instead of downvoting, maybe answer my question.
Because people don’t care
That's only half the quote:

>On the one hand information wants to be expensive, because it's so valuable. The right information in the right place just changes your life. On the other hand, information wants to be free, because the cost of getting it out is getting lower and lower all the time. So you have these two fighting against each other

You're omitting the counterbalancing force.

This site is called hacker news.
Because screw copyright, thats why.
I don't see outline making money out of it (I can't see any ads). Plus it gives credit to the original page as a link on the top left corner (I'm viewing on mobile browser).
This in not how copyright in the US works. Making money has absolutely nothing to do with the criteria of infringement.
I don't think financial gain is a necessary component of copyright infringement? Though it may make your punishment worse.
Neither of those stop it being infringement.
The journal(ist) doesn’t own the information in the article, just their particular execution of conveying that information.

Altering that execution isn’t copyright infringement, though admittedly, outline puts its toes right up to the line.