[Sir_Cmpwn]

To any HN readers who work at Facebook: your company is morally decrepit and you are complicit. If you go to LinkedIn and indicate that you're looking, you'll have 20 leads in your inbox by lunch. You don't have to work there.

[treis]

From Google, MS, Instacart, Uber et al? The reality is that every major tech company does scummy stuff. There are vanishly few tech companies that don't.

[Sir_Cmpwn]

There are a fuckload of tech companies. You don't have to work for a big name.

[treis]

One day you're working for a plucky start up. The next you're working for a big name that's stealing tip money.

There's a reason that these companies do what they do. Fraud, breaking the law, and dark patterns are way easier ways to make money than doing so do ethically and legally. Companies either die a hero or live long enough to become a villain.

I'm exaggerating a bit, but realistically the list of ethical tech companies is a lot shorter than the list of unethical ones.

[Sir_Cmpwn]

This really isn't true. The vast majority of tech companies are ethical, at least a far sight more so than Facebook. They don't make headlines so you have a bais.

[chillacy]

Glad you’re a moral bastion but I gotta pay the bills and big companies have better work life balance than unicorn startups.

[Sir_Cmpwn]

There are lots of ethical companies which are in the middle, too. But that's okay, your moral lackings are definitely excused by your lazy approach to job hunting.

[jamiek88]

Whataboutism doesn’t help.

There are levels and degrees of bad behavior.

Facebook is rotten from the head down.

[treis]

Maybe it's just me but I don't think Facebook is particularly bad. They acquire user data and sell it to anyone who wants it. They should better limit the data they collect and who they sell it to. But compared with stealing tip money or literally killing someone? It's just not nearly as bad.

[UweSchmidt]

Stealing is bad, but limited in scope. A number of people lost some money.

The data collection gives power to those who hold the data. Having all data on someone gives absolute power. It can be both looking at intimate data to directly manipulate or dominate a person, or apply data science to an incredible detailed corpus of data, and in the future learn things about individuals and groups that we can't even fathom.

[lostlogin]

What about their dubious involvement in recent elections does that bother you?

> literally killing someone

You’ve presumably not read about Myanmar or fbs involvement in organising genocide?

[treis]

>What about their dubious involvement in recent elections does that bother

It mostly bothers because it seems like a great deal of the recent hate towards FB is because people blame them for Trump. If Clinton wins I don't think people care.

That said, yes I think FB should do a better job of "know your customer" when selling ads. Obviously they shouldn't sell ads to Russian intelligence. But it doesn't bother me all that much. For one, I don't think it had that big of an impact. For two, it's a dangerous path to go down when you start questioning if your political opponents have the right justifications for their votes.

>You’ve presumably not read about Myanmar or fbs involvement in organising genocide?

Which part of that involved a FB employee going out and literally killing someone?

[lostlogin]

I was mainly thinking of Brexit, followed by US elections.

In relation to fb, do you see any problem with what happened in Myanmar? They allowed the organising of a genocide.