[general8bitso]

Must be nice to have a high bandwidth connection with 5 nines uptime, no risk of your account being revoked, or the content licenses abrogated or expired.

It is of the utmost importance to inculcate the newest generation of media consumers that renting is preferred to ownership.

[TheRealDunkirk]

I slogged through keeping a local archive of my carefully-ripped audio collection on a hardware RAID-5 storage server for decades. When I finally gave up in favor of Google Play (and subsequently Apple Music), it was liberating.

At the end of the day, the "content" we're talking about here is purely entertainment. You can live without it. And even if the hammer falls, and the copyright holders go backwards, things like Napster and Limewire and eDonkey will rise again.

At 10 years old, I never understood the line in SW EPIV, where Leia says, "The more you tighten your grip, the more star systems will slip through your fingers." (Seriously, the line haunted me for years.) But it's a perfect allegory for this situation.

Of course, I'm still waiting for the blowback against Facebook, so...

[AsyncAwait]

> At the end of the day, the "content" we're talking about here is purely entertainment. You can live without it.

You can live without a lot of things, including drinkable tap water and flushable toilets, however that is not necessarily a reasonable standard to judge things by.

I use music not just to 'entertain' myself, but to focus as well. Besides, why is entertainment and relaxation always treated as somehow secondary/not necessary? I realize many people find purpose in being work bees, but some strive for a healthy work-life balance.

[sacado2]

> Besides, why is entertainment and relaxation always treated as somehow secondary/not necessary? I realize many people find purpose in being work bees, but some strive for a healthy work-life balance.

It's not that it's unnecessary, but it's easier to replace. I have my nephew at home for a week, and his mother didn't let him take his console with him. Uh oh. No entertainment then? Well, guess what, we played good old board and card games.

OTOH, not having tap water or flushable toilets would have been a much bigger PITA for him. (For both of us, to be honest).

[general8bitso]

Don’t take him camping. ;)

[licebmi__at__]

I had the exact same experience, but then about 2 weeks ago, one of my favourite albums got deleted of All Music. So I had to search the disc, rip it, and then upload it to my account, which works for now but certainly put a dent in the experience.

Let's see how it plays out on the future.

[leviathant]

>Let's see how it plays out on the future.

Exactly as you'd expect. Aphex Twin had a CD that included the video on the data portion of the CD (I think it was Windowlicker, circa 1999) - but you had to unlock the video online. After a couple of years, the server shut down, and you no longer had access to the video.

Of course, someone released a crack, and eventually the advent of YouTube negated that particular problem.

I still keep local copies of my music. Part of this is because I have a not insignificant amount of music that I listen to that is not and might never be part of a subscription service. Part of it is because I've experienced early attempts at controlling access to music and video that I purchased, and saw how that failed, and I don't plan on risking that loss again.

[TheRealDunkirk]

Me too. My favorite band has 3 albums that aren't in print any more, and which aren't available anywhere. Like, you can't even get the CD's from Amazon. I've ripped them and put them in my library.

But the freedom of finding NEW stuff, when you have access to (just about) EVERYTHING... THAT has been the real eye-opener for me. I've discovered a lot of acts that I would never have otherwise heard of.

[SketchySeaBeast]

> I slogged through keeping a local archive of my carefully-ripped audio collection on a hardware RAID-5 storage server for decades. When I finally gave up in favor of Google Play (and subsequently Apple Music), it was liberating.

That was my (similar - I never went to RAID 5) experience as well. I moved it all up into Google Play and haven't looked back. No more worries about a hard drive taking down my collection (in hindsight RAID 5 may have helped), no more duplicate copies or tracks that were badly ripped so they skipped, no more worrying about keeping a pile of CD's "just in case", just the music I wanted to listen to when I wanted to listen to it.

[javajosh]

What do you mean "moved it all up into Google Play"? Are they hosting mp3s now?

[ablation]

Yes, and for some time: https://support.google.com/googleplaymusic/answer/1075570?hl...

[jmchuster]

When Google Play came out, that was all that they started with, and once enough people started using it, they started selling music on it as well.

I initially started using it as a way to easily sync music onto my phone, since it has a LRU of all your played songs, as well as any albums you mark explicitly for download.

[general8bitso]

Do you remember mp3.com’s Beam It service?

http://www.freedomworks.org/content/case-missing-copyright-l...

How times have changed.

[atomical]

I had the same experience. It is very liberating.

Piracy is increasing again because media companies are trying to silo their titles. Consumers want a diverse source of entertainment every month, but can't afford to buy the titles or subscribe to all streaming services. A Netflix subscription can be 1-3x the price of a popular TV series bought directly. I would argue that Netflix has devalued media in general.

[shermanyo]

I had the realization that I may lose some specific music one day, but I'll always have access to new music

[TheLoneAdmin]

There's 100 million paying Spotify subscribers that don't meet your "requirements". Ease of convenience trumps free (stealing).

[general8bitso]

These are not mutually exclusive.

[alexashka]

Ownership, funny. You mean how you own your electricity, clean water, shelter and food? You're in complete control, nobody can come and take any of those away at any point in time right?

The solution to dumb infrastructure decisions, is better infrastructure decisions via communication and thought, not trying to hang on to your tiny scrap of stuff via guns, files on a computer or building a bunker.

[norealidea]

Digital "ownership" is just as temporary, and when "buying" digital products online (or, technically, even physical copies of media), you're only paying for a license that can be revoked at any point. Just because they don't hunt you down doesn't mean you properly own something.

There's a reason SaaS took off, just like media streaming took off. Convenience is higher on the list of priorities than ownership. If they take my stuff away, I'll just switch to media that isn't barred from public use.

[TeMPOraL]

> If they take my stuff away, I'll just switch to media that isn't barred from public use.

That's if you treat your media/services as substitutable goods. I don't understand this view. For me, the vast majority of books, songs, movies and games I peruse are not substitutable. SaaS services maybe - but then, they do their damnest to be not substitutable - that's called "having a competitive advantage".

So when a company decides to stop serving some media I used (or paid for directly), I see something of value being lost.

[general8bitso]

Exactly this.

[UncleMeat]

If my concern is losing access to my music, a hard disk failure is more likely than getting banned from Spotify.