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by cjCamel 2697 days ago
> I think paid leave is just plain immoral. It is up to the parent to evaluate how much they care for their child vs foregone salaries.

This is delusional or dangerous thinking. Are you an ultra privileged & sheltered young man? You do realise that even if a parent chooses to work, they have to pay someone for childcare?
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conanbatt 2697 days ago
Quite the opposite, form a very unsheltered life. It is the sheltered people that want to get paid leave, which is why the highest income workers are the ones that get the most paid leave of all.

> You do realise that even if a parent chooses to work, they have to pay someone for childcare?

That is an argument against paid leave: if a worker takes up the "nanny job" for their own son, they are capturing 100% of the value they do. No need to pay them twice for it.

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cjCamel 2697 days ago
> It is the sheltered people that want to get paid leave

The sheltered people in your life. Are they the ones that have mortgages?

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conanbatt 2697 days ago
The unsheltered people of my life don't have stable salaries or jobs, dont even imagine what paid leave is. The ones with 6 figure salaries are the ones on paid leave. Still anecdotal, but im pretty sure you will find that most paid leave is taking by people that dont need it. The ones that need it the most dont have stable jobs or benefits.
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cjCamel 2697 days ago
Would like like to reword your first answer to take into account your last answer?

Also, my bad - not sure where you live but it sounds horrifying. I can't believe there is somewhere in the world where people on 6 figure salaries are the only ones with access to basic employment benefits, and those less fortunate have no government provided safety net (now that sounds morally bankrupt to me).

I'm curious as well to find out if there are any people considered to be in the middle classes? Say...two full time earners taking in less than 6 figures, for instance? Is that a rarity in your country?

>im pretty sure you will find that most paid leave is taking by people that dont need it.

Not where I'm from, no. Most of the people I know that take paid leave are families where both parents need to continue to work to cover cost of living.

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conanbatt 2697 days ago
> not sure where you live but it sounds horrifying

San Francisco, US.

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