[technofiend]

He also mentioned a 200 mile range, which the Leaf is still working towards; Nissan's website clearly states the latest Leaf has a 150 mile range [1]. I've been lusting after all electric cars for a while including the Leaf but range is definitely a concern.

Kudos to Tesla for breaking open the market and creating all electric cars with 200+ mile range. But I'm with the original poster in that I want 200+ miles and a quality product with no fit and finish issues or supply-chain problems when there's a breakdown. Tesla has one of three right now and eventually the majors will catch up.

[1] https://www.nissanusa.com/vehicles/electric-cars/leaf/range-...

[andrewmunsell]

For anyone interetsed, the Leaf E-Plus is coming within the next couple months with a 200 mile range: https://insideevs.com/leaf-e-plus-nissan-joins-200-mile-club...

There's still no active battery cooling though, which is a disappointment.

[technofiend]

Particularly in hot climates there's concern both around battery performance and actual range. Practically speaking you need to factor in climate control use when driving, which lowers range.

[athenot]

The Leaf Plus goes on sale in the US in spring, with a range of 224 miles.

https://www.automobilemag.com/news/2019-nissan-leaf-plus-ev-...

[loeg]

Yeah, my ICE wagon has 450-550 miles rated range depending on city/highway rated mileage. Even if you assume that's somewhat optimistic (and it isn't that optimistic — my 15 year older, same model wagon got nearly the same mileage), it's still a lot more than 150. And it cost a lot less than $30k.

[Scoundreller]

I’d kinda prefer the low range:

It would encourage me to rent a car for road trips and put the damage on someone else’s vehicle.

Most of my road trips are the 1000km in 2-3 day variety anyway.

[loeg]

If I was going to rent for any drive longer than 150 miles, I wouldn't own a car in the first place. Renting is a big hassle and multiplied by N trips sounds unpleasant. My trips are shorter and probably more frequent than your 620 mile multi-day affairs, though.

[Scoundreller]

I guess my questions are:

What percentage of cars go on more than 2x 150 mile+ trips in a year? (Or 300 mile round trips that can be charged at turnaround point).

And the same question for 100/200 miles. I’m guessing 90%+ for personal cars.

And many of the exceptions are multicar households that could shift their long-drives to the other car.

[loeg]

To answer your question, I could only guess :-).

I don't know how common it is, but we're a single-car household that goes hiking (i.e., no charging at the turn around point).

[loeg]

FYI, the information for the US can probably be derived from the raw data available here: https://nhts.ornl.gov/ . The high level web summary buckets all trips of 31+ miles into a single bucket, which isn't helpful for your question, but if you want to do the analysis on the data, it's available. Cheers.