[el_cujo]

The poster responded to someone saying “why would anyone not want to unionize” by saying “some unions are shitty”, is that not reasonable? They aren’t even saying it’s a good reason, but a lot of people seem to have this idealistic view of unions and I do think it is healthy to keep in mind that this isn’t the case, just wanting to unionize and handing the reigns over to people who are lazy or greedy can leave you with labor problems AND a bite from your paycheck.

[Apocryphon]

Then isn’t the solution to design and build better unions, not reject the concept entirely?

[marcosdumay]

Designing and building better governance bodies by a democratic process is hard. Very hard.

And may be even impossible depending on the people under its governance.

[Apocryphon]

And yet, is tech not about solving hard problems? Isn’t the supposed vision of this industry to make the world a better place?

[marcosdumay]

Indeed we should try to solve the problem. Tech is already helping (things are much better than just a decade ago), and there are plenty more opportunities to help.

But I'll stick with my point. Creating an union right now is not completely safe, so there are reasons to be wary of people proposing them, and to debate the details. There is even reason to not create one if the details are not right.