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by hannasanarion
2711 days ago
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>I'm just saying having read that gorilla story doesn't imply any degree of technical understanding. Is great technical understanding required before one can evaluate whether a program that labels black people as gorillas is functioning appropriately? >Iirc there are even physical reasons why it is more difficult to identify black faces than white faces. Is that then racist, if an algorithm struggles more with identifying black faces? So you're saying that black people are innately similar to gorillas, and an algorithm can't be blamed for failing to distinguish them? - If you're trotting out that grand old "black people all look the same" thing, then yep, that's racist too. Black people tend to have different points of variation in facial features (jaw, chin, ear, and brow shape instead of eye and lip shape and color for white people). Inability to differentiate one face from another means not tracking the correct identifying features, which means racist algorithmic design. |
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No, I am not "saying".
My comment was in response to praise of AOCs alleged technical understanding, not of her ability to judge the gorilla algorithm.
And you don't seem to understand what algorithms do. A simple algorithm could count pixels in an image. If most pixels are white, it could say "human", if most pixels are "black", it could say "gorilla". It would be a verify bad classifier, that would only work in a number of cases. For that algorithm, you could say a black person would be more similar to a gorilla. But nobody would "be saying" black people are similar to gorillas, just that the algorithm would be more likely to classify them as such.
Are you saying people would use the "authority" of such an algorithm to claim black people are gorillas?
"If you're trotting out that grand old "black people all look the same" thing"
I didn't - stop imagining so many things. I am not a photographer. I think there were issues with the lighting and contrast. Physical issues. Other commentator claims it is just because film equipment was calibrated that way.
Even then I would dispute the "racist" label. There are many different looking people on the planet. Just because you can not account for all of them, it is not racist.
I am inclined to call your attitude racist, because you assume everybody is surrounded by the same mix of people (like in the US), and maliciously chooses to ignore certain types. That overlooks the reality of people who are not surrounded by an even mix of people of all types.