[atom-morgan]

> You will no longer be able to eat until you are full, ever again.

Wrong. I just ate and I'm very full. I could even fuck off and eat like shit more often than I do but I choose not to. I'm 6'0" about ~175lbs/80kg.

And yet I often have people approach me in the gym to ask questions, advice, etc: https://www.instagram.com/adamjmorgan/. It's possible to eat until you're full and still look good.

-Signed, former chubby kid.

[Negitivefrags]

It’s great that your body is in a place where you are able to do that, but let me ask you something.

Have you ever been more than 130kg?

I have, and getting down to being no longer overweight requires a substantial mindset change.

It’s extremely unhelpful to talk to people who have been as large as I have about how you can eat how you want and still feel full.

Maybe you can lose the weight and still few full, but it’s just not realistic to paint that picture because all you are doing is undermining the reality of long term change.

[borski]

I’ve been 118kg, and I’m 5’9’’.

I started a keto diet 3 months ago and have lost 33 lbs. here’s the interesting part: I definitely feel full when I eat now, because fat and protein are just that much more satiating. It takes less food to make me feel full. Provided it’s high in fat.

[quicklime]

The article references a few studies that conclude that there is "no significant difference" between a low carb and a low fat diet. It also suggests that whether a keto (or any other) diet will work is an individual thing:

> In this regard, saying that “diet X is the best way to lose weight” is probably not a globally-correct statement given the evidence so far. Instead, it should be the much less interesting: “no diet performs meaningfully better on average, but there exists some diet that is the best way to lose weight for you.”

This matches up with my experience. I know a lot of people like yourself who swear by a low-carb/keto diet, whereas I find I have no problem maintaining a healthy weight (BMI=22) with a fairly high-carb diet with a lot of rice, noodles, pasta, oats and bread. I actually feel very unsatiated when I'm just eating meat/vegetables alone.

I love to eat, and once or twice a week I'll literally eat until my stomach physically hurts (and I do mean literally, kind of like how some people feel after a Thanksgiving dinner). I exercise, but not a lot - probably 3-4 hours a week. I'm not saying this to brag, or to make overweight people feel bad (I'm sorry if I do), but just to give some anaecdata to balance out what the keto people are saying.

One thing that I should mention is that I don't really eat much sugar, apart from fruit, and sports drinks and energy bars when I'm doing long bike rides. I just don't enjoy the taste of soft drinks (I almost exclusively drink water, and sometimes coffee or tea), or most heavily processed foods (most of my meals are home cooked, or at non-fast-food restaurants). I also find the sauces that most restaurants slather on food to be overpowering and over-sugared, so I don't eat a lot of that either (although this seems to be a US-only problem).

[borski]

I am not saying anything about the diet being successful or not for you. It is, I agree, an individual thing.

I am saying that, in general, fat is more satiating than carbs. And, in addition, that that applies to everyone, not just people who have never been “their size” as parent puts it.

[barry-cotter]

I’m happy for you that you can eat whatever you want and not put on weight, or put on very little. My wife is the same. I’m not. I lost over 10kg for our wedding and put it on again quickly thereafter. Everybody has a set point weight that their body will naturally return to. This isn’t to deny exercise or changes in diet or environment can’t make lasting changes. Americans who move to Shanghai lose weight because the portions are smaller and you don’t need a car, you can take public transport and walk. I weigh about as much now as I did five years ago but substantially more of it is muscle because I go to the gym. But if I stop my weight will stay about the same and my body fat percentage will go way up.

Your set point will determine what happens to you with no willpower or discipline. It also effects achievable goals. Most men could look like the Rock given his fitness regimen, diet and “supplements” routine.

But your fat set point is no more under your control than your extraversion or conscientiousness one. The expression can change, the phenotype, just like I could start a conversation with anyone when I did sales and I’m now more nervous, or like the age related increase in conscientiousness but the genotype doesn’t.

In an obesigenic environment some people will still always be skinny. If that’s you great. It’s not everyone.

[atom-morgan]

> I’m happy for you that you can eat whatever you want and not put on weight

I never said that.

I'm very meticulous about my diet and I'd say I'm more disciplined about it than 95%+ people. For that I can "even fuck off and eat like shit more often than I do".

[barry-cotter]

Forgive me for having misinterpreted you. If that’s your position I don’t see much daylight between your position and the person you were originally responding to though. You have a diet to which you stick not quite religiously. They say you need to stick to a diet religiously to lose weight and keep it off. The difference between your respective positions seems nugatory.

[atom-morgan]

I said the exact opposite actually. I stick to my diet religiously. That's why I believe I'm more disciplined than 95% of people and why I have the freedom to deviate occasionally if I wanted to to eat junk food.

[ksec]

>Wrong. I just ate and I'm very full.

May be some people aren't easily "full" as you do. I have big stomach and I eat a lot. Most of friends don't quite understand how I stomach 3.5Kg of beef ( Raw, more like 2.5Kg cooked )in two hours, along with meshed potatoes and all sort of other things.

I now eat and stop. I changed my diet and I am never really full again, I know I wont be hungry, but I am definitely not full.