[squirrelicus]

Yeah the data contradict your assertions about career choices. I don't want "I definitely see"s. Data is not the plural of anecdote.

https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2018/02/does-gender-equality-...

EDIT: To be clear, I wish you were right. I want you to be right. But you're just not, and it's slightly tragic, but mostly the data should cause us to reorient ourselves around how we interpret the data, because the social constructionists' theories are just wrong.

[rhacker]

I just realized what you might have been reacting to in my last sentence. It should have been "I definitely see.... than about 10 years ago" or something to that effect. I didn't mean there are more women in construction - stop. Sorry about that.

Personally witnessed a few extremely technical women (one of them an ex boss) who, in general could hold up a CS or specific data flow discussion with me that I came up with. She would be on the same page in less than a minute. No other male employee I have ever been in company was able to do what she did (you'd have to have met her). She was from China originally, is a very active CTO in a SV company. She has women friends in similar situations. I'm not saying that you have to be chinese, but the evidence of they way we bring up women in western societies is a much much stronger determiner of personal preferences than "hormones LOL". (And not that China doesn't have other problems either)

[squirrelicus]

> they way we bring up women in western societies is a much much stronger determiner of personal preferences

That's what I'm saying the data explicitly disproves.

Look, this might come as a shock, but let me lay out what everyone on both sides of this argument believes: Everyone who chooses the profession and performs well should be included. The contention is whether their genetics should matter, and those who reject the assertion that there's an inclusion problem answer "no".

Here's a more direct point: the fact that women tend not to choose STEM tells you nothing about each individual woman. The mere fact that someone got the job is explicit evidence that they're probably just as capable as everyone else that got the job. Membership in a social class as defined by the progressive left is just... meaningless. As it should be. #MLK