[tertius]

> at some point the democrats will have to concede that the only way to stop the damage is to give in.

Which would be the point where your 'they care more' hypothesis would become true.

So are they just wanting to hurt him politically right now?

[bayesian_horse]

Right now they think they are playing the game "who loses more, politically", in which the president is losing bigly.

Or at least they act as if they believe the president cares about his reelection chances. But as more and more time passes, and he loses more and more support, it will become obvious to even some of his supporters, that he will burn down the country to get his way. And at that point he may get his wall, but he loses everything else.

[tertius]

I don't care about him all that much. As you imply, he'll do whatever he wants to get whatever he wants.

I care about things moving forward. And if we assume that he's not about that, then we need to start moving our gaze to those who are the actors that should be acting correctly and having things move forward. They're not doing that.

[bayesian_horse]

I'm not an American. I think your constitution basically sucks, with the mitigating factor that it was very practical and relatively democratic compared to other states at the time it was written.

One of the huge criticisms that I have is that you can't get rid of an administration. Impeachment seems to be virtually impossible, whatever Trump does or did. And even then you get a vice president who ran on the same ticket and profited from the same criminal behavior.

In Germany, we can get rid of the chancellor within days or weeks, depending on the procedure. We also can't have split governments sabotaging everything. Every vote counts the same etc.