[CodeMage]

> Politics has the force of law behind it, cryptography has irrefutable mathematics. Let's see who wins.

In the end, force wins. Irrefutable mathematics are just a tool. Every right we have has been won through struggle. Sometimes that struggle is non-violent, sometimes it's less so, but it's always a struggle. A lot of people tend to forget that and think that technology will magically solve things. Or if not technology, something else or someone else will do it.

[antidesitter]

> In the end, force wins.

Not always. At some point, the cost of enforcement becomes too high and unfeasible.

[alacombe]

Didn't seem to have been a problem in USSR (especially with a brainwashed population) and still isn't a problem in China, Venezuella & others dictatorship.

[antidesitter]

I am from Venezuela.

An example of what I’m talking about is the black market for dollars and the use of bitcoins by Venezuelans to illegally dodge currency controls.

[alacombe]

> In the end, force wins.

Thanks for the 2nd Amendment :-) Force doesn't have to be privatized by Governments.

[isostatic]

The Syrian people were armed, that turned out well.

Your AR-15 isn't much use against the Airforce's F15. The world has moved on since 1776, local militias can't cope against national military - even one as an expedition force, and in the U.S specifically entire countries can't cope against the U.S. military as an expidition force, what hope does a local militia have against a U.S. based military?

The most you'll get is a guerilla war and terrorism, and that always works out well./sarcasm

[antidesitter]

Then why hasn’t the mighty US military been able to defeat a bunch of Afghan rebels armed with AKs? You vastly underestimate the power of guerilla war. See also Vietnam, Iraq, and Syria.

And if the US military ever turned against its own citizens on US soil, you can bet a huge number would defect and hell would break loose.

[isostatic]

Well if your end goal is to reduce your country to the state of Iraq or Syria, with suicide bombers and destruction of entire cities a daily occurance, that's fine, I guess it's the price you have to pay for having weekly school shootings.

[antidesitter]

You conspicuously missed the example of Vietnam.

[tylerl]

This is the EU. They don't have "amendments".