[ddingus]

Regarding your comments about subsidizing the parents, again we don't need to be that shitty. Things happened to well meaning people just as much as things happen to people who aren't thinking about things very much. If we require people to think about things to the degree were talking about in this thread, and we hold them very firmly accountable, we're going to live in a much more shitty world than we need to. I'm not down for that.