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by davideous 2715 days ago
Does any electric car have an option where you can place a portable gasoline generator in the frunk and then trickle charge the battery while you drive on a road trip (with appropriate venting of exhaust).

If not, why not?

I've seen very small, quiet gasoline generators. I would think this could solve this problem easily at the expense of a small amount of storage space.

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You’re describing a plug in hybrid or a serial hybrid like the Chevy Volt.
Yes, that's the effect. But I'd only have to carry the generator portion when needed for a road trip. You could perhaps even rent it only when you need.

Even if the generator was in a small trailer, that would provide the range freedom without loosing the storage space (and help with venting/cooling/noise).

> Even if the generator was in a small trailer

This has been done; but the small trailer also adds significant friction and aerodynamic drag. It also adds complexity in driving and maintenance.

True, except the road trip case is also the case where you want more cargo capacity than is standard. A rental trailer for one week that lets my wife pack the kitchen sink actually makes sense.
At that point might as well just rent an gasoline engine car.
Except the engine isn't always there as taking up extra space and weight.
Weight probably isn't a problem - a Chevy Volt weighs a lot less than a Tesla S.

You don't even save much by keeping the gas tank mostly empty when you aren't expecting to need it -- the gas weighs ~6 lbs / gallon, so you might save 50 lbs by keeping the tank on 1/4 when you aren't planning to drive past the battery range.

Think about it this way: batteries are really heavy, and the Tesla has like 5x more battery capacity than a Volt. Meanwhile, if you're mostly making short trips, you're hauling around 3/4 of those heavy, heavy batteries as a contingency.

BMW i3 range extender does exactly this.
Not portable generators--which you'd really want built in for various safety and venting reasons. But you're basically describing a plug-in hybrid. The case against these is that you still carry over at least some of the complexity/maintenance of having an ICE.
A small generator puts out less power than the car consumes. It would extend the trip but not solve the problem.

As others have said, it's more practical to have a purpose built hybrid.

You don't need much power to keep a car going on the freeway. If I can extend my drive from 200 miles to 700 miles before I have to stop and recharge - well that is as far as a human can drive in a day anyway (many humans have driven farther - it wasn't safe they were just lucky).
It doesn't take much energy to keep a modern car moving at highway speed. With regenerative braking and a limited top speed a small generator should be able to keep the car moving well enough.
I've thought about this, too. It can't be that difficult to do, can it? Maybe it's illegal under current regulatory systems.
building a tiny engine that runs efficiently and produces enough meaningful electricity to make up for its weight is difficult.

From a regulatory standpoint, yes, fuel systems would be regulated in this design.

The engine wouldn't need to be especially efficient; it's purpose is to extend range, not to be the main charging apparatus.