[saagarjha]

> it's not the users data, it's our data about the user. The notion that data about you belongs to you is frankly absurd

Interestingly, I find your viewpoint to be just as absurd. Why shouldn't data about me belong to me? Why can't I tell people not to collect data about me when they are providing me with an unrelated service?

[zorga]

For the same reason a photo take of you in a public place isn't yours, it belongs to the photographer. The Internet is a public space; you don't own the public space and you don't have any right or authority to tell anyone collecting public data that you own it just because you're in it. It's not your data, it's my data, I collected it. You don't want it collected, don't go spewing it out in public spaces.

[h0mEDw]

You have a point, but the problem is that there's no way to not spew data out in public spaces. I'd have to cut off all of the following:

  - my mobile phone
  - my landline phone
  - all credit cards and bank accounts
  - all hosted email solutions
  - all other hosted ways of communication (social media, messaging apps)
  - all ways of transport unless I own the devices (and even some cars you could own have telemetry these days...)

Basically only talk face to face, ride old cars and use cash or Monero. It's unrealistic.

[zorga]

Hey, that's the price of using all of those things, if you don't want to pay that price; don't. You don't own a photo I take of you nor do you own data I collect about you from the public sphere.

[h0mEDw]

Why would you want to make it a price to pay? We choose what's legal and what's not, it's not given to us in some great revelation. Do you think people's lives would be better without privacy, or with privacy?

I see little benefit in developing an alternative system of payment to the dollar, some form of intellectual nudity, implications of which I don't fully understand. The dollar is fine, charge me and leave me alone.