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by ra88it 2721 days ago
Yes, I think it is quite normal.

Alcohol is a cheap, ubiquitous drug that helps us relax today, for a roughly proportionate cost which we can pay tomorrow (plus whatever longer-term costs like liver damage or memory formation which we can ignore or put off for even longer).

It's not confusing or unintuitive. Alcohol helps us relax. That's all it does! Which leads to all the other behaviors that are secondary to suddenly finding oneself relaxed. At first, a healthy relationship with alcohol is a perfectly reasonable transaction. I think it is normal that we would have fond memories of being relaxed, even in the midst of the mild hangover that would necessarily follow.

We easily get addicted to cheap methods for getting relaxed. Why wouldn't we? Especially if everyone around us is constantly using it to get relaxed. It's disgusting to witness! Unless you also use it to relax, in which case it suddenly becomes tolerable or even amusing.

You don't need much to relax (initially). Like with most drugs, eventually it is less potent and you require more. Also, like with any habit, your default baseline (in this case, your default relaxedness) starts to shift, so that eventually you are actively un-relaxed unless alcohol is present in your system. Obviously, as this continues, you need more and more alcohol, which is toxic pretty much in direct proportion to its volume.

Edit: added the sentence about hangovers, for clarity

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>Alcohol is a cheap, ubiquitous drug that helps us relax today, for a roughly proportionate cost which we can pay tomorrow

While I like this metaphor I don't think it's really true. As long as you drink in moderation the relaxation benefits easily outweigh the negatives. Of course, the converse is also true, you can drink so much that the negatives dwarf the positives.

It depends on how strong your heart is. You have no way of knowing until you have an MI or adverse cardiac event. That’s why high blood pressure is termed the “silent killer”. Same for your liver. You will not know the extent of the damage until your liver enzymes are elevated, at which point it’s too late to undo the damage.

I’m not saying that you shouldn’t drink at all, but just that you should be aware of the consequences because they are non-zero.

> It's not confusing or unintuitive. Alcohol helps us relax. That's all it does!

Alcohol can also carry many flavors and dissolve oils in suspension (it is a solvent, after all). This is one of the reasons whiskies have such diverse flavors. Many vanilla extracts are also around 35-40% abv (alcohol free versions use glycerin?... I think?).

Alcohol (wines for example) can also useful in cooking, where the alcohol is boiled off and some of the flavors and oils are left behind.

Alcohol helps us relax. That's all it does!

That's just silly. (I'd go into detail but I think it's sufficiently obvious.) Have you ever tried it?

The idea that alcohol helps people relax is actually an old (and incorrect) way of thinking about alcohol. The 'relaxtion' that is felt by alcohol is actually due to its addictiveness, and the cycle it puts you in. By drinking, you are entering a cycle where you crave the next drink, which is why it 'relaxes' you, it is actually just removing the very craving it places in you.
You’re basically correct about the mechanism of addiction but wrong about alcohol and relaxation.

I drink maybe twice a month. It’s relaxing. I am in no sense addicted to alcohol.

Alcohol is primarily a GABAergic, so of course it’s relaxing. Habitual use will down-regulate those receptors, and the addictive cycle is triggered by medicating the resulting anxiety with more alcohol. None of this is surprising.

I think all these theories should be taken with a grain of salt, especially those that talk in universalities. People have many different reactions to alcohol and that changes as they age, their stress level, etc.
Source? This is completely counter to my experience and everything that I know about alcohol
Neurogenic studies of alcohol addiction: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2607330/

Could you post a source that shows alcohol relaxes you?

Alcohol is well established to have a sedative and depressant effect in addition to its stimulant effect - see e.g. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21560041

People commonly experience that effect as relaxation.

This doesn't substantiate your claim at all...
So you don't feel more relaxed after a drink?
Quite a few people become aggressive. I wouldn't consider alcohol universally relaxing. It might be universally an uninhibitor.