[bradknowles]

The showstopper for me is FaceID. I won’t buy a device where that is the only biometric AuthN solution available. If/when my 7plus dies, I’ll buy an 8plus, either new or used.

I won’t buy anything newer than an 8, until such time as they give me fingerprint ID back in some form.

Hard stop.

[acdha]

Why is that a showstopper but Touch ID isn’t? They’re both biometric systems where the raw data never leaves the secure element, both are hardened against simple attacks, etc.

[bradknowles]

Have you ever tried to use FaceID with a reader that is arms length away from you, and you can’t get any closer to it?

What about a reader that is not only arms length away, but oriented in a very inconvenient position?

I don’t want any device that could potentially unlock itself just by someone holding it up and asking if this is my phone. Or that could lock itself up tightly and possibly even wipe itself, because it had seen too many strange faces.

Now, I don’t use biometrics to unlock my phone. But the inconvenience of having to look at the phone and have it scan my face when I want to use ApplePay, that’s plenty enough reason for me to never use a device where face scanning is the only biometric method available.

I don’t care how much they claim that the data never leaves the phone. That’s just table stakes for me.

[jakobegger]

I can't see Apple returning to Touch ID. I think that Face ID is so much better in every way, and I can't wait for Macbooks to adopt it as well.

I'm pretty sure that if you like Finger print sensors, you'll have to switch to Android at some point.

[ksec]

I think Apple will continue to have FaceID at their Entry level / lowest pricing iPhone. FaceID is expensive, I just don't see it coming to lower tier in the next two years.