| You didn't even try to understand the viewpoint of men objectively here.
You are telling men that they should be choosing to abstain from PIV intercourse, get invasive surgery or wear condoms which can all fail anyway which destroys your point anyway, but even if it didnt then a woman has to do none of these things and she still gets a choice of whether she wants to become a parent or not. Always. A man needs this choice too or it is not fair. > Child support or co-parenting is not a punishment for the father The millions of unwilling fathers who have to pay massive amounts of money would violently disagree with that statement. How can you even make such a statement without the alarm bells going off in your head? Just put yourself into their position, you didn't want a child, you still don't want one but now you have to pay money into it. It takes some breathtaking mental gymnastics on your part to shoehorn your ideological beliefs (fatherhood = never bad) into this objectively bad situation that has no equivalent for women.
I suspect you are fighting an ideological battle here, trying to convince everyone and maybe most of all yourself that fatherhood must never be seen as negative when reality just disagrees with you. > men do not have to carry a pregnancy and go through childbirth and any resulting complications, and breastfeeding Neither do women, they have the right to an abortion. Again, this just shows that you didn't even attempt to understand what my point was. > Let's accept that biology makes this situation unequal and not try to equalize it. Absolutely not, what kind of cruel joke is this? We see an obvious discrepancy with a very fair solution for both sides and you say no. One is inclined to think that there is a profit motive behind this for you if you are arguing like this. > Let's focus on managing the reality and making sure children grow up with the support of both parents when possible aka. forcing men into parenthood and an 18 year long huge financial burden against their will, not to mention the emotional burden. > mental gymnastics to force the idea that any potential consequences of sex should not fall on men Again: Women do not have to face these potential consequences of sex, so why should men? Isn't it funny, you say we have to accept these biological differences but only if men suffer for it.
What about the biological reality that the baby is 50% the father's so why should the woman not have to accept this biological reality and be forced to ask the father for permission if she wants to abort it?
But no, of course not. Equality is only something good if it's in favor of women and bad for men. Did I get that right? I think I did even if you deny it. I'm going to very quickly bottom line this: Women have the right to refuse motherhood whether they abstain from sex or not, men do not have it. This has to be fixed, whether you personally like it when men suffer or not. |