[wybiral]

I regularly support the idea impeaching our leader in public and participate in a democratic process of electing representatives to enact policies that I want to see change.

EDIT: As a matter of fact, we just had a Muslim congress-woman openly discuss goals to impeach our sitting president. Things work differently in a democracy with representatives than they do in an authoritarian dictatorship.

[scottlocklin]

The president isn't "our leader." And as I keep saying, yes, the US system isn't as brutal and obvious (in most cases; policing online content, it is) as China. As far as I know, they only attempt to kill American citizens who deviate from the party line when they live abroad.

Let me give you a bit of obvious propaganda by people who really do run the country:

https://twitter.com/Raytheon/status/1021446302515847168

Perfect embodiment of ruling caste self regard ... we blow up brown people ... but at least we are real smart and we ain't sexist!

[wybiral]

> The president isn't "our leader."

Yes, exactly. Because this isn't an authoritarian dictatorship. We have democracy. We vote in representatives. We discuss policies with peers and campaign for people who represent changes we want to see. That's the difference and that's what our free speech protects.

EDIT:

> Let me give you a bit of obvious propaganda by people who really do run the country

Are you being censored for speaking up against Raytheon though? Are you being stopped from electing politicians who would curtail their power or regulate them in some way?

[schiffern]

>We have democracy. We vote in representatives. We discuss policies with peers and campaign for people who represent changes we want to see.

Read and/or watch Manufacturing Consent. This is what Chomsky calls[1] the "standard model" of social democratic societies (the one that the technical class helping run society must be "deeply indoctrinated" to believe).

Problem is, if you look at whose interests are actually represented in our politics it's nothing but a pacifying fiction. His "alternate model" describes how the society actually functions, and... well... why spoil the video? :D

[1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AnrBQEAM3rE&19m48s

[scottlocklin]

You're really persisting in missing the point. I am no threat to Raytheon, or the class of people who work there, or the ruling elite of the country who think burning Yemeni children alive is a good idea as long as we teach women to participate in STEM careers.

If I were and could get my message out (people are trying on youtube; they're being censored), well, no doubt my life would be worth girl scout cookies. I'd be unpersonned at the very least.

FWIIW yes, I am being stopped from voting for politicians who would make this state of affairs end. Just as effectively as Chinese people are.

[wybiral]

Get your message out to your peers. Write your representatives. And vote on representatives who plans to change whatever it is that you're indirectly complaining about.

Otherwise it sounds like you're talking vaguely about what I can only interpret as a conspiracy theory of some kind but I have no idea what point you're trying to make.

[scottlocklin]

There's a great Mitchell and Webb sketch called "are we the baddies" -google (or better yet, qwant) it. If you can't put yourself in their shoes, well, you'll never get it.

Which just goes to show you more or less why the Chinese guy above doesn't see anything wrong with how his country's regime polices content either.

Anyway, have some more ruling class propaganda: https://twitter.com/WokeCapital/status/1081583730018476032

[ardy42]

>>> If I were and could get my message out (people are trying on youtube; they're being censored), well, no doubt my life would be worth girl scout cookies. I'd be unpersonned at the very least.

>> Otherwise it sounds like you're talking vaguely about what I can only interpret as a conspiracy theory of some kind but I have no idea what point you're trying to make.

> There's a great Mitchell and Webb sketch called "are we the baddies" -google (or better yet, qwant) it. If you can't put yourself in their shoes, well, you'll never get it.

It would be helpful if you precisely specified which ideas you think are getting censored on youtube and could cause you to get "unpersonned" before you start throwing around vague insinuations like that. Otherwise what you say has very little credibility.

[wybiral]

I don't see what any of this has to do with the original point about censorship.

If you don't like the military contractors, protest them and vote for change instead of trying to use it to rationalize China's censorship campaign.

[coding123]

The US definitely has a problem with terror campaigns. But yes, I really really dislike it when media and general people start thinking the president is a king or something. I actually wish the media would lay off treating the president like royalty. I personally believe we need to get rid of the white house and treat the president more like we do the speaker of the house. More like a regular person that has a specific role.