[seanmcdirmid]

I worked in Beijing at Microsoft for almost 10 years, so I get the demographic divide and striving for stability. Still, it feels like they dug their hole and have to live in it now, gradual liberalization could have also been stable, maybe even more so.

[NedIsakoff]

When were you in Beijing? I was there for 2-3 years with Google prior to them leaving.

[seanmcdirmid]

I was there from 2007 through 2016. We were first down the street at Sigma/zhichunlu and then the new building close to the sinopec building in central zhongguancun.