[watwut]

For whatever it is worth, I personally perceived HTML and CSS as less then programming and primary artsy/aesthetic. It was not real to me and I did not seen HTML/CSS as equal achievement. I don't recall where and how exactly I picked that attitude, it was years ago. I picked it by osmosis as "of course" attitude along with other attitudes I was reconsidering lately.

[dsego]

I honestly think it is less, speaking as someone who does it day in and day out. That HTML/CSS is so complicated to require specialized positions to handle the intricacies of these broken technologies, instead of having well though-out systems and visual design tools, speaks volumes about the rotten state of the web and and web development as a discipline. In this day and age we should not need a small army of so called developers to maintain a single marketing website.