[werber]

I currently work with women (and men) who feel their roles as front end devs are considered less than our back end devs within our company. We also have the worst front end "big ol' ball of Javascript" spaghetti mess I've ever seen from people trivializing not just HTML & CSS but also JS. I didn't see it as a gendered issue until it was brought to my attention by female co-workers who had experienced the same thing at multiple companies.

[rovek]

I'm not sure if this is satire or nonsense.

> ...women (and men) who feel their roles as front end devs are considered less...

> I didn't see it as a gendered issue until it was brought to my attention by female co-workers...

Female co-workers bringing an issue to your attention doesn't make it a gendered issue and you literally refer to it as a non-gendered issue, though parenthesising men.

As a full-stack JS dev, having come from a .NET background, through a pure frontend job, to a full-stack position, I regularly have to shoulder banter from Scala colleagues' (both male and female) snark at Javascript - primarily because it's existed for a long time and been a barely justifiable mess for most of that time.

[watwut]

If however only or predominately females encounter attitude and males dont, then it is likely gendered issue. And vice versa.

People tend to assume that I do frontend and try tu push me toward ui design side of things, despite me being completely crappy at that. It was real problem only once, normally I can easily negotiate different position. But, it requires me to often explain that I really cant design - I dont have to explain I dont do any other technology to avoid position, ever. People dont assume me to know sql, databases, server, java, but they do tend to assume me to be good at design.

[rovek]

> If however only or predominately females encounter attitude and males dont, then it is likely gendered issue. And vice versa.

Every frontend dev I've ever worked with has received this same treatment, so I would find it difficult to believe it's even predominantly females; but maybe I've met a lot of exceptions.

[watwut]

Oh, I absolutely know that frontend is undervalued. I am even one of those who undervalued it too.

But, I am not even frontend developer and get the assumption that I am one. When I was nearby frontend, people made further assumptions about which part of it I do - they expected me to do aesthetic work altrough I am really bad at it and were sometimes oddly awkward when I wanted to talk about architecture or algorithms. I don't think male frontend developers are not undervalued, but the assumption about which part of it they do is on average a bit different.

[yakshaving_jgt]

> If however only or predominately females encounter attitude and males dont, then it is likely gendered issue. And vice versa.

Or it's a False Cause.

https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/false-cause