[squirrelicus]

Oh come on. How many of those people had legal visas? And how many of them were doing forced labor to death?

Regardless of how you think we should handle illegal immigration, we're talking about two very, very different things here. Apparently there's good reason to believe that even if you follow all the laws of China to the letter, there's a risk they'll throw you in a death camp anyway, just because you're American.

[bduerst]

It was tongue-in-cheek remark, since they said camps. Is having a legal visa a requirement for having human rights? How many Americans were thrown in Chinese death camps last year?

[squirrelicus]

What human rights are being violated again? You don't have a right to just be in America. That's not a human right.

The whole point of this article is that China has just begun threatening Americans, so what happened last year is irrelevant.

[bduerst]

>You don't have a right to just be in America.

Nobody is claiming this straw man. Read more here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_detention_in_the_U...

So you agree that China hasn't thrown Americans into death camps? This rhetoric leans more towards being motivated in part from a failing trade war with China, not based on a real threat.

[squirrelicus]

I'm sorry but 30k illegal immigrants in a relative mansion with butlers is nothing compared to what everyone knows the Chinese do to undesirables. If you're an American, you are now an undesirable.

Here let me put it this way. Go to tianenman square and make a speech about it. You know you'll die in China. You knew that 10 years ago. And things just got worse.

[cmurf]

Refugees do have rights, and signatory states have obligations under the 1951 Convention Relating to the Status of Refugees and as amended in the 1967 Protocol Relating to the Status of Refugees. The U.S. is signatory to the convention and protocol. And also the 1980 Refugee Act applies in the U.S.A.

[squirrelicus]

I don't want to argue there are no violations of rights occurring at all. That's an extraordinarily improbable stance to hold.

But if you don't see something different about illegal immigrants detained in America, and what China is known to do... Then there's simply something morally wrong with you.

[yourbandsucks]

Also, 'death camps'? That's mind-killing rhetoric. "Let's have a cold war" rhetoric.

The USA imprisons a way higher % of our population without trial than the Chinese do. Check the plea bargain stats. Is it China's place to try and police our internal problems?

[EpicEng]

Accepting a plea agreement does not constitute being thrown in prison without trial.

[squirrelicus]

Not necessarily. Heard of the Uyghurs? The Chinese authorities have not been known for thinking Others have human rights, at least since Mao.

Since when did putting millions of ethnic or political minorities in death camps become synonymous with imprisonment for crimes actually committed. You know what you get when you get imprisoned in America? Food, warmth, and lawyer and a judge!

I'm not saying being imprisoned is good. But this level of reverse whataboutism is mind killing.

[yourbandsucks]

Since when was China a monolith since Mao? Ever heard of a guy named Deng?

I'd suggest reading some Chinese history, and also a bit about the current plea bargain disaster in the USA, if you think all of those people actually got due process.

As far as us being world police and telling other nations how to manage their affairs.. I'm against it. The Chinese government has done a lot of good and a lot of bad. Let's worry about our domestic problems first.

We should continue to trade, keep the peace, and continue the amazing 30-year-run the world has had since the end of the cold war. Starting another one would cause a lot of harm.

[squirrelicus]

Here's some context.

October, China ups the rhetoric https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2018/10/china-vows-defend-tai...

January, China ups the rhetoric more. https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/01/world/asia/xi-jinping-tai...

Taiwan is a military ally of the USA. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Major_non-NATO_ally

And then immediately after this the govt said travel there is risky.

If China tries to invade Taiwan to take it back, the USA must go to war or the entire alliance network on top of which world peace was constructed will lose its reputation. For our grandchildrens' futures lest NATO collapse (because why contribute if the USA won't defend you), going to war with China to deny them Taiwan might be the only option.

Shit is more serious than you think. War is brewing. Right now.