[jeletonskelly]

Greenhouse output reduction is an approach that is very obviously failing. It requires too many conflicted parties to align and devote resources.

We have to start viewing climate change mitigation as an engineering problem. We need aggressive investment in carbon and methane capture. If it can't be a profitable endeavor then governments need to make the investment for the public good.

[shuntress]

Unfortunately that still requires people to accept some facts that seem to be subject to aggressive misinformation campaigns.

People looking for real discussion about these issues online in places like this are met with a constant barrage of "climate change doesn't real"

[JumpCrisscross]

> People looking for real discussion about these issues online in places like this are met with a constant barrage of "climate change doesn't real"

France shows a different side to the problem. The French accept that climate change is happening [1]. Yet even simple measures are popularly opposed. That implies climate scepticism is a symptom, not a cause, of inaction.

[1] https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-03-08/french-vo...

[elif]

The current carbon capture systems would need more than one order of magnitude in costs and efficiency to come close.

There are plenty of proofs out there with hard figures, but just think about it. You need to be more effective and cheaper than plants for this concept to make any sense. That means competing against a baseline of pure solar energy inputs, self-replication, and the ability to trap carbon in the soil.

The biggest carbon capture apparatus we have is our ocean, and we are acidifying and toxifying it INDEPENDENTLY of our carbon misuse. Ecology is our only real hope, and CO2 is only one of many variables we need to control. We're dropping a lot of balls here, and hyperfocus on CO2 will just enable us to continue deluding ourselves into the fatal belief that industrial progress will still save us.

[3pt14159]

The problem is we spent all our money on scientists studying global warming. Had we split the spending between studying global warming and studying how to propagandize people into caring about / believing global warming we would have spent half the money and solved the problem by now.

Take my country, Canada, for example. If you think about all the money and blood we poured into WW2 and you compare it to what it would cost to move to a carbon neutral economy it just pales in comparison. It's like laughable how fixable this is. WW2 was like 30 global warmings. So why didn't people balk in the 30s and 40s?

Because they cared and they believed they could do something about it. I feel like the world has this sludge about it these days. Almost nobody does anything anymore. They kinda float around and raise taxes a point here or there. We more than doubled them to fight the Nazis.

I can kinda see why Elon Musk is freaking out and building five different companies trying to save the world.