[gamblor956]

I live in a nice part of LA and I see as many iPace's as Teslas, and the iPace has only been available for about 3 months locally.

And the iPace owners are absolutely glowing in their reviews of the car in a way I've never heard Tesla owners get. Indeed--while most Tesla owners I know talk their heads off about the charging network[1], they tend to be defensive about the actual quality of the car itself in ways that luxury car buyers shouldn't be.

[1] While Tesla has a geographically large charging network, it's density is pretty horrible. In DTLA for example, you're 9 miles away from the closest Supercharger, and condo/apartment dwellers are SOL for installing their own unless they want to pay excessive fees to have one installed in their parking spot. There are a number of standard EV chargers through the downtown area, and the number of non-Tesla chargers exceeds the number of Tesla-only chargers by a factor of at least 10:1.

[luckydata]

We must be living on a different planet then if you never heard a Tesla owner go on and on about how much they love their cars. Before buying one 4 days ago I had plenty of that kind of experience.

[gamblor956]

I know quite a few Tesla owners, and they all love the idea of the car far more than the actual cars themselves. After about a week, reality sets in and the misaligned panels, haphazardly responsive touchscreen, and relatively pedestrian interior furnishings start becoming noticeable. After about 2 weeks, the Tesla owners who don't live in homes (i.e., condo/apartment dwellers) even start to get annoyed at the charging cycle, since the Superchargers in the LA area are not very convenient to get to and it's roughly $10k-$20k (per charger) to get a charger installed in their parking structure. One Tesla owner, who evangelized the car before buying it, eventually sold his Model 3 (one of the first sold to the general public) and, in his words, "upgraded" to the iPace.

Also, I've ridden in all of the Teslas (including the Roadsters, thanks to a former boss who collected cars) and the Model 3, while comfortable enough, is only roughly as comfortable as my Camry and certainly isn't as comfortable as the $65k+ cars other friends drive. IMO, this is Tesla's big problem. Their cars are expensive, but you're paying a lot of money for the brand and while that can get you started, in the auto market you eventually have to start competing based on features like comfort, etc.

[zaroth]

As a Model 3 owner, I have never been happier or more impressed with any car I have ever driven.

It’s more fun to drive than my old Camero SS. It’s more comfortable than my old Infiniti. I absolutely love the interior aesthetic. And I just paid $3,500 to PPF wrap it because I think it’s absolutely gorgeous and I want to keep it looking that way.

Oh, and I paid $45k not $65k, and it saves me at least $100 a month on top of that.

You are blowing smoke with “roughly as comfortable as a Camry”. The ride quality is better than BMW in my opinion, and that’s before throwing in the mental benefits of Autopilot combined with no engine noise making my commute the most peaceful part of my day.

[gamblor956]

I rode in a Model 3 several times this past weekend and my Camry 3 all this week. They are absolutely on par comfort-wise. Can't compare to an Infiniti since I've never ridden in one, but the Model 3 can't hold a candle to the Lexus's, BMW's, or Audi's I've ridden in.

[zaroth]

The driving experience and handling is waaaaay better than my wife's Mercedes. I can’t really say from a passenger perspective.

[luckydata]

Where did you do the wrap? I can't find a shop that carries the cutout for the Model 3. Bay area?

[zaroth]

AutoNuvo in Holliston, MA

[luckydata]

I have a Model 3 and I don't know WTH are you talking about. It's a great car. Panel gaps are just a little too wide for my taste in the rear doors but you rapidly forget about it when you're behind the wheel. Best car I've ever driven hands down.

[matthewdgreen]

I'm confused about this entire line of argument. You're saying that people can't get chargers installed in their condos, so their solution is to switch to another electric car that also requires a charger?

[FireBeyond]

I was in a Jaguar dealership this weekend, and the iPace, though I have no intention of getting one, is a VERY nice car. Build quality. Features. Specs.

[dmode]

Tesla has the highest consumer satisfaction rating and brand loyalty of any car maker [1]

[1] https://electrek.co/2017/12/21/tesla-tsla-tops-customer-sati...

[anthonybsd]

I suspect Model 3 will change all that, unfortunately :(

[gibolt]

Evidence? Most Model S and 3 owners I've heard prefer the ride of the 3.

[anthonybsd]

There are obviously no official survey numbers, but there are a lot of indicators that point to the fact that rushed production for Model 3 resulted in quality control issues:

https://www.cheatsheet.com/money-career/the-biggest-problems...

[davidgould]

> While Tesla has a geographically large charging network, it's density is pretty horrible. In DTLA for example, you're 9 miles away from the closest Supercharger

That's sort of the point, the Supercharger network is designed to facilitate long distance travel. So the stations are spread out along highways. The other networks are bunched up in cities. Try using plugshare.com to plan a trip using CCS chargers vs Superchargers. Say San Francisco to Portland, or Denver to Dallas, or LA to New York.