[zepolen]

I know over three engineers who left their companies because of the stringent bureaucracy expectations, filling out reports and the like. It was boring to them.

They all got new jobs within a week.

Unlike other positions, for engineers, it's the companies that are replaceable, not the employees.

Engineers are special whether we like it or not.

[Matthias247]

> Unlike other positions, for engineers, it's the companies that are replaceable, not the employees.

I read that a few times in this thread, but I'm not sure whether it's as true as pictured here. Maybe in some bubble environments (bay area and Seattle). But for most of us other engineers there isn't necessarily the next employer around the corner - even for those with exceptional skills.

[qualsiasi]

So Italy is in the bubble :) Good to know

So many positions for sw. engineers and so little experienced professionals to fulfill all those job openings, at least in my zone.

[Matthias247]

I can’t tell about Italy. But eg in Germany the air would be quite thin if one looks for a software position above 80k€ or even 100k€ (yes, there might be enough options in the 50k€ range).

Wouldn’t have expected italy to be much different

[qualsiasi]

With 5 years of experience in (northern) Italy there are plenty of job offers in the 35-40k range, which I think is roughly equivalent to 60+k in Germany, maybe 70ish.

Note that I don't live in Germany so my numbers may be wrong, in that case well... let me know :)