[friedman23]

>With that being said, I drove across the US two years ago and if you keep your eyes open you realize it is all over - Portland and Seattle are no better, just less talked about.

It's not that it's not talked about, it's that other cities manage to not have it right in the middle of the city.

[countzeroasl]

Seattle is every bit as bad as California. Interestingly enough, when California started getting bad, Washington was where they moved. Now? Hellloooo TEXAS!

[geoka9]

I can vouch for Portland - smack in the middle.