[dylan604]

Unless you're on an Apple laptop. There's no upgrading of the components. And before the "you made the choice" guys start chiming in, some people didn't make that choice. If IT says "Dude, you're getting an Apple", then it is what it is. Just because "hard drives are cheap" is not an excuse to ship bloated software. At some point, the app has the features it is meant to have. At that point, it is a good time to refactor bloated code before proceeding to new features. The bloat will just continue, and eventually cause issues that come to a head.

[jf-]

Sure, but the issue there is the poor value offered by Macs (not hating on Mac, I also use one, but bang for your buck is absurdly low). If you have a non-Mac then you likely have a decent sized hard drive. While electron resource use is not ideal, on modern hardware it really shouldn’t be the issue that it’s being made out to be.

On the practical side, why not do as gp suggests and use an external drive? You’ll likely need additional storage with any of the lower spec’d Macs anyway, electron or not.

[dylan604]

Of course I use external storage. USBC->SATA SSD has been amazing. Would love to be able to get a USBC->M.2 for the speed difference. Non-techy people that buy Apple might not though, and they're the ones installing stuff with little concern. It's easy to lose sight of the avg user.

[zakius]

single electron app is not an issue, especially high(ish) quality one (I'm positively surprised by low resource usage of messenger for desktop, I know it loads webapp from the web so local space usage isn't that big but RAM usage is also surprisingly low)

but if you have dozens of these it becomes a struggle even for high end desktops

[zakius]

the moment IT guy tells me that I respond with the letter of resignation

actually I'd do the same with any netbook, but being limited additionally by the OS is even worse

either I get the proper tools or refuse to struggle

[dylan604]

That's a bold statement. Especially without knowing the full set of facts. In this case, with your stance, you'd be the only computer in the place not on an Apple device. It's a small video/photography shop. Everyone involved uses a Mac including the freelance guys that get hired.

What exactly are proper tools? I'm designing a set of web-based tools to help their day to day operations. Lots of shell scripting and what not to just allow people to drag-n-drop and automagically get things to happen, consistently. Are you saying that the proper tool to write php/css/js/shell scripts/etc can only be found not on a Mac? I have found the world becomes a much easier place to live in if/when you can just accept what is on hand and get the job done. Could it be better? Possibly. Is this my favorite laptop? Nope. Can I do what I've been tasked with to get it done? Absolutely. I'm actually quite thankful that I'm not a one trick pony and I can use pretty much any OS put in front of me.

[zakius]

I can use mac if I'm forced to do but my sanity is worth more than some extra money I can get doing so

and seriously, using slow and noisy machine with poor multitasking and overall terrible UX WILL slow me down considerably, it's not worth it also for employer

and you know what? I've done it before already and been the happy guy in the office laughing at all the trouble people forced to use macs had

EDIT: ofc if I'd know beforehand that mac is the only option I simply wouldn't apply to that place, there's no reason to make your own work lower quality

[michaelmrose]

Since when can you not upgrade the ssd on an apple laptop?

[jf-]

As of the touchbar version, they’re now soldered on.

[michaelmrose]

Excuse me while I laugh my ass off. Looking at the 15" pro with touchbar to name one model it starts at about $2400 with no upgrades. An upgrade to 512 can be had for $200.

In order to be in your position your company had to simultaneously overpay AND underpay. How can you be so cost conscious that you say nah give them the tiny ssd it costs less while shelling out 2400+ per unit

[dylan604]

Why are you blaming us as users for a decision made beyond our control? Yes, we "get it" already, Apple is overpriced. I'm really happy for you that you get to decide what gear you use. Rubbing it other peoples faces really makes it better, so thanks for that.

[michaelmrose]

I'm not blaming you just laughing at the absurdity of the matter not you personally.

[art-vandelay]

Funny way of putting it, yet so true. My employer decided (without asking me) to get me one with 128GB storage. IN 2018!

[jf-]

You’re talking to the wrong guy buddy.

[jf-]

That got a downvote? For telling the other guy he was addressing the wrong user. Ha, it's actually funny.