[ucaetano]

Spend it, preorder one.

It most likely will never make it to production. At this point in time, if the creators were being honest, they would either have announced an OEM sign up, or have announced that it has already been delayed beyond Spring 2019.

As much as I like donations to causes, donations to doomed causes who aren't honest about the probability they'll ever come close to a reality are useless.

They advertise lifetime updates for a product they don't even have a supply chain lined up? Really? And the money spent will serve to (according to them) support the development process? So who will actually pay for the phones ordered?

Wishful thinking is nice, but it is nothing beyond wishful.

[spotman]

regarding date and supply chain uncertainty i would tend to agree.

in this case however, they do sell laptops. so, they aren’t completely incapable of supply chain.

depending on if the laptop is really an in-house design, or not, they may be certainly going from a very basic to an extremely sophisticated supply chain.

or it could be that it’s not an in-house design fully and someone else is doing the supply chain and general design of the hardware.

the date is extremely optimistic or the handset hardware is much farther along than is obvious from the content on the site.

having said that i am a backer and can’t wait. vote with your dollar i suppose.

[ucaetano]

Anybody is capable of supply chain. I can fly into Shenzhen, shop around for ODMs and in a day have an order for a custom designed phone based on an ODMs white label model, with my logo, brand name, app preloads, etc.

Anyone can do it, because it can all be outsourced. But they don't talk about any of it.

Not only that, but they say that the cash from preorders will be used for development, which raises the question: who will pay for the actual devices of those who pre-ordered?

Give it another year or so and they'll inevitably fold, not returning any money to those who pre-ordered and posting a cute, self-pitting story about all the challenges they faces on such a honorable mission.

Just like everyone before.

[emXdem]

Have you tried to order a laptop? I did... After 2 months of waiting I cancelled my order and it took another month to get refunded.