[billfruit]

While I like the language very well, tooling does have issues, even simple things like not distributing Leiningen with Clojure when it is almost essential for any serious development. Version incompatibilities between Leiningen and Clojure creates subtle problems. I also wonder what the experience of using lein in Windows, it seems to install using a mysterious batch file.

The emacs based tooling had too many components, and is very brittle, ie, a minor version bump in one of the component often renders the whole build/repl process unserviceable.

Usage of local jars is extremely difficult, you need to setup a local maven repository and then add dependencies through it, which is a very painful process, esp for hobby projects and prototyping. I should be working on my problem not wrangling with maven.

[Skinney]

> While I like the language very well, tooling does have issues, even simple things like not distributing Leiningen with Clojure when it is almost essential for any serious development. Version incompatibilities between Leiningen and Clojure creates subtle problems. I also wonder what the experience of using lein in Windows, it seems to install using a mysterious batch file.

Clojure bundles tools.deps since 1.9, and it works great. cljs and figwheel already supports it, as do many others. I prefer it to leiningen, but YMMW.

I use emacs to develop clojure, never had any problems with it :/

> Usage of local jars is extremely difficult, you need to setup a local maven repository and then add dependencies through it, which is a very painful process, esp for hobby projects and prototyping. I should be working on my problem not wrangling with maven.

tools.deps makes this very easy.

[drcode]

Actually, I haven't used leiningen in 6 months, Clojure's new included cli tools work great these days.

[snorremd]

I quite like tools.deps, but it is maybe a bit problematic that it is bundled with the Clojure install. Before tools.deps there were no officially sanctioned dependency and project management tool. This is probably why we got both leiningen and eventually boot. Now the bar for choosing something different than tools.deps is probably going to be quite high.

Sadly tools.deps lack the support for reading credentials from a gpg/pgp-encrypted file: https://dev.clojure.org/jira/browse/TDEPS-9 This is a shame as I rely on this to keep repository credentials safe. I'm not a fan of the maven master password system.