[justicezyx]

> The Chinese are putting people into concentration camps on the basis of their ethnicity or religion, many are dying and their organs are being harvested

A few glossy points are made here that rides on a racial or national stereotype.

1. It was Chinese government put people in concentration camp, not Chinese. In the current political atmosphere, I am very cautious to draw this line as a Chinese myself, for the fear of mobbing attacks on Chinese people oversea.

2. many are dying and their organs are being harvested

You need to have reports to support claims of such outrageous behavior. Also it's not clear what is the actual things being done.

Are people dying naturally in the camp, and got organ harvested? Or they were left to die without reasonable medical attentions.

I presume the organ extraction has not got consent from the people, right?

[sonnyblarney]

#1 is a good point, but in my experience, 'The Governments' approach to Tibetans, Uighurs etc. has the general tacit support of 'The Chinese' and by that I should say 'Han'. Han ethno-nationalism is total and out in the open, it's normative. I suggest most of non-minority China actually supports much of this.

As far as #2, it's splitting hairs. People are put in jail because of their ethnicity or faith, and one way or another, organs are being harvested on mass. Discussions of 'did the prisoners approve of their dismemberment after execution' are just a little insulting really.

It's 2018, this is happening.

http://eng.the-liberty.com/2018/7286/

[justicezyx]

The link you provided is for a Japanese budasim presit who still has hairs. Could you at least provide some information with first hand authenticity, like from survivor and/or those close to them or the ones died in the camp?

[yourbandsucks]

And plenty of American overreactions to terror attacks also had broad support. Same for the Russians, the British, the French..

It's definitely interesting that Chinese nationals were almost universally for dragonfly and yet the "progressive" activists didn't care at all, preferring to pivot the topic into nationalist rivalry. Ask them in a vacuum and they'd say they treasure diverse perspectives..

[int_19h]

> It's definitely interesting that Chinese nationals were almost universally for dragonfly and yet the "progressive" activists didn't care at all

Human rights are not subject to a simple majority rule.

And this whole thing isn't about what Chinese want. It's about what Americans are okay with helping Chinese do. If the majority of Chinese support labor camps for ethnic minorities, that's one thing; but when American citizens aid them in filling those camps, then those citizens are a fair target for their compatriots, regardless of what the Chinese think about it all.

[yourbandsucks]

Dragonfly is a search engine project. It's nothing to do with the situation in Xinjiang other than being in the same country.

The US has our own issues, and I'm not comparing or trivializing anything, but you'd be nuts to say that Google should boycott America over them.

[int_19h]

Dragonfly is a search engine with the ability to track people who use it, said ability being there for the express purpose of cracking down on political dissent.

[wbl]

The Chinese nationals who you heard from with the risk of disappearing on their mind. Ai Weiwei wasn't safe.

[yourbandsucks]

So anyone who disagrees with you is being held hostage? How convenient.

Riskier to speak up pro-dragonfly inside Google on an h-1b visa than it is to speak up against dragonfly from outside China IMO.

[abc-xyz]

I'd love to see you try (and when you speak against it actually highlight how it would be used to send muslims to concentration camps, put anyone who dared to do harmless searches, such as Tiananmen Massacre at risk, etc.). Best case scenario: your posts won't be seen by anyone since keywords such as Tiananmen Massacre will result in it being shadow banned upon submission. Worst case scenario: your life comes to an end.