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by dplgk 2740 days ago
What is order flow?
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I'm not familiar with it either, but this seems to provide a description https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Payment_for_order_flow
Seeing/selling order flow is a term of art in finance. Seeing order flow refers to the ability to trade against customer orders. Selling order flow is getting paid by someone else for the ability to trade against customer orders.

Imagine that a stock is bid at $100.00 and offered at $100.01. Assume that market makers estimate the fair price to be $100.005 unconditionally.

A customer sends a marketable buy limit order at $100.01.

If this hits the exchange then the person who's offering at $100.01 will make $0.005.

If the order flow gets sold (i.e. someone gets to see the flow before it hits the exchange) then the internalizer can fill it at $100.01 and make the $0.005 themselves instead of letting someone else on the exchange do it. It has nothing to do with front running or even information.

This is really valuable because you're not competing for speed with other market participants and you expect the customer flow to be uninformed so the trade is less likely to move against you before you trade out.

This is a problem for market structure because it discourages people from quoting on the exchange.

So the market maker who pays for order flow data takes the spread. But how are they able to trade with the buyer at $100.01 when there are limit asks on the book already at that price? Seems they need to cut the line?
That's part of thr reason that they pay for the flow. They're able to sell at $100.01 off exchange even if there was someone else who was willing to sell at $100.01 on the exchange first.

This also why I think payment for order flow is bad even if the first order effects are not bad for Robinhood customers under reasonable assumptions.

Why is this not just a spread and does RH not just have spreads to make money?
User data on what stocks they buy and sell

Except between the time the user clicks buy and when it the buy actually happens. Basically hedge funds are able to receive and parse this data, and change their orders to an advantage before the users order hits the actual exchange

Its analogous to a MITM attack

Despite my wording its not necessarily bad, but I think users should have a better understanding of it.

(any insight on why this is downvoted -4 at time of writing?)