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by icanhazcoins 2743 days ago
Additionally, I find it intellectually lazy to believe that assisting the military is morally wrong. What I think people (and in particular Americans) fail to consider is that if you really do feel that the political system is so corrupted that the will of the people has been subverted, what that actually morally requires you to do is to overthrow it. You cannot say "Oh well I didn't vote for the guy who started the war so I guess I'm ok". You are responsible for everything that happens and is happening, and if you really believe that the system is so badly broken that we are involved in illegitimate wars then you need to take responsibility for that and stop it. Stop paying your taxes, organize your community against it. Be willing to sacrifice to make it happen. By not doing this, you are disregarding the sacrifice that so many people make in support of the system (members of the military, administrators, etc).

It's reprehensible to disregard the sacrifices of others so callously yet be willing to sacrifice nothing yourself.

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> I find it intellectually lazy to believe that assisting the military is morally wrong

Even if you view the military as an amoral tool, then it's still immoral to contribute to its strength while it is under immoral control.

> You are responsible for everything that happens and is happening, and if you really believe that the system is so badly broken that we are involved in illegitimate wars then you need to take responsibility for that and stop it. Stop paying your taxes, organize your community against it. Be willing to sacrifice to make it happen

So I'm on board with this ethos, but then the question becomes to do what ?

If you act in a direct violent manner (which includes not rendering unto Caesar), the system attacks and contains you.

If you act in an economic manner (earning less to pay less taxes), you're heading away from the attractor of competition. The end result is living like the Amish, which while individually sustainable, has clearly not caught on.

If you make small actions under the idea they accumulate, then you get stuck in simulations (eg ethical consumption, voting).

If you narrow your focus to one topic, then you end up just fighting your fellow plebs with different priorities (eg SJWs).

I have long thought about this and still have come up with little. Cryptocurrency seemed promising, but then Bitcoin came along and vaccinated the state. With no straightforward answer it sort of feels like you're throwing out a straw man. While I'm all for kicking people to not compromise so readily, everybody compromises constantly. It is nonsensical to pick on someone who has partially compromised as being inconsistent for not having fully compromised. I would rather have them hold on to their ideology and still be looking for new doors.

> then the question becomes to do what?

If you write code and know anything about security, one of the biggest impacts you could make would be in securing US government systems. Even if you are German or Brazilian, securing US Government systems would make the world safer than securing your own government.

You must have severely misread my comment. Securing USG's systems is certainly not going to prevent the US military [industrial complex] from attacking arbitrary countries for fun and profit.