[coldtea]

>are widely known to have a tenuous relationship with reality

So, like the New York Times?

[babygoat]

citation needed

[coldtea]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judith_Miller

and inversely:

https://www.thenation.com/article/new-york-times-wants-gary-...

[Latteland]

they sure screwed up during the iraq war. that's a big notable exception to their general excellence at writing about and discovering important and accurate things.