[pjmlp]

I always find this comment funny, because C++ is older than Java and many Java programming patterns originated from C++ designs.

Then again, many C++ younger devs don't even know what Booch method might be all about.

[Nimelrian]

Especially since the GoF Design Patterns, which are often cited as the main reason for Java being verbose, were described in the original book using C++ (and smalltalk) examples.

Just because they may be overused in Java doesn't mean people shouldn't use them at all in other languages.

[dkrikun]

They have originated from C++, fine, but it is a different language, different ecosystem, different community, different ideology and -- different idioms

[pjmlp]

That is the thing, doing MFC, OWL, VCL, Qt, wxWidgets, DCOM, CORBA, Motif++, BeOS based applications was hardly any different from what Java became.

[dkrikun]

Yes most of these things are terrible