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by TAForObvReasons 2745 days ago
They aren't laying off people, it was a voluntary separation:

> Verizon Communications Inc said on Monday that about 10,400 employees will be leaving the U.S. wireless carrier by mid next year as part of the company’s voluntary separation program.

They offered a package earlier in the year https://www.cnbc.com/2018/09/25/verizon-offers-separation-pl...

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Of course they are. Many, many companies offer a “voluntary first” incentive to avoid the bad press and services they might otherwise have to provide to laid-off people. Jobs went away. Sugar-coating the exact method of ending the jobs doesn’t change that.
Your cynicism seems misplaced; up to a year's salary as severance sounds like a pretty sweet sugar-coating to me. They didn't "avoid bad press", they simply didn't do anything to merit bad press. What's wrong with someone voluntarily choosing to take money in exchange for a resignation? It's not as if there is something inherently wrong with "jobs going away" when your definition includes people voluntarily quitting their job.
To be fair, it's not entirely resignation. It's "take this X and resign, or be put on the list to be fired and get something less than X". It's still better than just being layed off, but it not as nice as a voluntary resignation.
The company solicited for volunteers, they didn't target individuals and give them an ultimatum.
I don't really see it as sugarcoating, this is way better than the alternative. They're giving their employees a generous heads up, offering an incentive to anyone who finds other employment, and people who really don't want to leave likely won't have to.
And they get to structure who leaves and when. You can wind down projects responsibly, shift resources over time, train people on new tasks. Far less disruptive than a sudden layoff.
Great point. This kind of arrangement assures that the exiting employee will be happy to cooperate with training their replacement in good faith.
> Of course they are.

Why? Because you say so? We should ignore the literal words of the press release in favor of something you think may happen?

In fact, the structure of the the offer is one that offer's a far greater incentive to those with a lot of seniority vs those who are newer. If we assume that many of these might be technician jobs under a union contract where more years of service equals higher pay, they could have more senior workers take the package, immediately hire new employees and save a decent amount of money.

Granted, I've only seen that strategy in practice with municipal workers, but it makes no more assumptions than you do.

> We should ignore the literal words of the press release

As a general rule, this is a good idea.

Are you familiar with the concept of PR?
"voluntary separation" might as well be lay-offs, because if they didn't get enough volunteers they would have laid people off without giving them a package.
I volunteered for a lay-off when they merged Aol and yahoo because I had recruiters breathing down my neck offering me big raises to leave anyway. I got enough in the severance and signing bonuses to pay off a new car and pay for most of my wife’s masters degree.
One of my major career regrets was leaving a job about 6 months before they offered voluntary layoffs with generous severance. I was already grumpy with the job. If only I held my nose and stuck around those six months, I would have been first in line for the package!
Or they increase the incentive until they get enough volunteers. Actual lay-offs can be a last resort.
Equivalent to airlines looking for people to give up a seat on the plane.
It sounds like they were offered that in lieu of a less favorable outcome...Also 3 weeks per year of service is in my experience less than standard.
When Sprint did numerous layoff rounds in 2004-2010, they paid out 2-weeks per year of service and capped it at 52 weeks.
I’ve seen 2 weeks at a lot of places.
Mine was 14 for BT in the Uk (tax free)
IBM offers statutory minimum i.e. “we would give you nothing if it was legal”. A year+ is a fair deal.
They aren't laying off people, it was a voluntary separation

It's just another layer of corporate double-speak.

The same way "fired" became "laid off."

Until the early 90's, "laid off" applied to factory and seasonal workers, who were expected to be recalled when production ramped up again.

I don't really think it's doublespeak.

Laid off means an employer doesn't want/need your position anymore.

Fired means an employer doesn't want you anymore.

I don't think it's quite so black-and-white. Often there are multiple such positions and they are being reduced. So your position still exists and they don't want you (or rather, they would prefer to have X number of your coworkers rather than you). I don't think it's synonymous with being fired, but you can smell it from there.
Every time I'm seen a layoff in tech it is always the lower performing employees first out the door. Round 1 is normally just letting people go who should have been fired years before.

Of course this is often when the good employees start doing interviews as well.

The first round of cuts (of deadweight that avoided egregious screwups) work so well that managers get addicted and pretty soon they're cutting the actual workers and they kill the company.
No previous commentator is correct "redundancy" is different to "laid off"

Fired means they are dismissing you for cause.

> The same way "fired" became "laid off."

Fired and laid-off are not synonyms. Fired and terminated are synonymous. However, laid off generally means the position is not continuing.

That being said, "voluntary separation" just means they are anticipating a large layoff and are attempting to reduce the overhead of determining who to let go.

Fired and laid-off are not synonyms

That's my point. But they're used interchangeably now by the PR departments of big companies so that getting rid of people doesn't seem so bad.

Fired means you were terminated, and can be for cause or for no reason. Laid off means the position was terminated and implicitly means your performance was not a factor. They don't mean the same thing and they're not used interchangeably.
>> They aren't laying off people, it was a voluntary separation

> It's just another layer of corporate double-speak.

No, it's really not.

Fired became 'let go'. Layoffs became 'reduction in force'. In my experience, I've never seen 'fired' and 'laid off', or their counterparts, used interchangeably.
Just semantics. But telecom companies have been in the business of shrinking since ATT split up in 1984.
Is this not just the same thing but with golden handshakes? Still looks like cost cutting.
If nobody volunteered, Verizon would start volunteering people. The end result would be similar, so, yeah, it's a layoff.