[scarface74]

So in the case of Android, you would have phones with replaceable batteries running old OS’s that the manufacturer abandons unpatched security holes.

Give me a phone that can run the latest OS for five years that I can take to the Apple store and get the battery place for $79 ($29 until the end of the year) any day.

Besides, the processors that are in most low end and midrange Android phones are so horrible compared to 4 year old iPhones, I can’t imagine them keeping up with new software.

[Tom4hawk]

No updates is another issue. But it is a problem created artificially. Somehow my 10 year old Core 2 Duo I'm using as HTPC is still getting updates and is working perfectly fine.

> Besides, the processors that are in most low end and midrange Android phones are so horrible compared to 4 year old iPhones, I can’t imagine them keeping up with new software.

Again - it's mostly software problem. I have Motorola Moto E LTE(2015 - 2nd gen) with 1GB of RAM and it's working perfectly fine with Lineage OS [without google services] + F-Droid. I'm using it for Jabber communication (Conversations), podcasts (AntennaPod), GPS (Osmand), e-mail checking (mostly notifications from my bank ;)), calendar (DAVDroid), searching web (Firefox) when I want to check something on the go (bus/train timetable, address etc.) and everything works fine.

My friend had same model and he replaced it because everything was slow with "official" android.

I also have to change my phone. Reason? Battery. Changing it is difficult(https://www.ifixit.com/Guide/Motorola+Moto+E+2nd+Generation+...) and paying someone to do it doesn't make any sense (labor + new battery would cost more than this phone is worth...).

[scarface74]

No updates is another issue. But it is a problem created artificially. Somehow my 10 year old Core 2 Duo I'm using as HTPC is still getting updates and is working perfectly fine.

The issue is not artificial. Before around the Core 2 Duo, processors and hardware were getting faster at such a rapid clip and the software was taking advantage of it that you really had to upgrade often to use modern software.

My Dell Core 2 Duo 2.66Ghz laptop from 2009 has:

8GB RAM - still the standard amount of RAM on most consumers.

A 1920x1200 display - it was one of the last laptops that had screens with that resolution before everyone moved to 1929x1080 and that resolution is still better than the average consumer laptop.

Gigabit Ethernet - most laptops these days don’t come with Ethernet at all and for those that do, gigabit Ethernet is still the standard.

250GB hard drive - of course now hard drives are SSD but most laptops still only come with < 500GB hard drives.

In 2009, an almost 10 year old computer would have had much lower specs than what was then a modern computer.

You see the same ramp up in mobile hardware that happen with computers. It just happened a lot faster.

And it doesn’t matter why the Android ecosystem is such a mess when it comes to upgrades. But it is.

Not only is the 6S from 2015 still getting official updates - so is the 5s from 2013.

Also, the processors in iPhones are so much better than in the typical Android phone, the phones have more headroom for upgrades.

For instance, this is where things stood in 2015.

https://hothardware.com/news/performance-preview-apple-iphon...