[roel_v]

"You can write very capable, very pretty web apps using just javascript, CSS and HTML4. HTML5 just makes it that much easier."

Which part of HTML5 are you talking about here? I always assumed that in this context HTML5 meant 'Canvas + <video> element'. I hope that developers aren't going to use Canvas to replace CSS/javascript menus, rounded corners etc. with Canvas-based ones 8(

[steverb]

Canvas makes some of the shiny things easier to implement. And shiny animations (that don't impede usability) make the customers want more.

[roel_v]

Sure, just like shiny Flash components that don't impede usability make the customers want more. I'm not against HTML5, and an open standard is better than Flash, I just hope people won't use 'it's the standard' as an excuse to throw together complete websites on a Canvas and break copy and paste, scrolling, bookmarkibility etc., all those things that suck so much about Flash websites.

Maybe I just don't know enough about Canvas and will it play nicer with the html/css separation model than Flash does, but from what I've seen so far I'm not getting my hopes up.