[ajmurmann]

Unfortunately I've spent a lot of time gaming. Not much online with friends though. At least not in recent years.

You make a very valid point that sounds entirely different than OP's "tree falling in the forest" argument.

[abledon]

Yeah I think I was more getting at the 5 axis of game design, there’s people who’d like to : Explore, Socialize. Challenge based game / rankings , Strategy / logic, Forget other one

I’d say my tree falling in forest remark goes along two axis of social + challenge against other human brain . Almost same dopamine hit of telling a joke and getting reaction from crowd, feels fun to tell jokes similar to goofing off in multiplayer games etc

[nullstyle]

My only point was that there are many different motivations to game and ways to derive value from a gaming experience, my bad if I come off as holier than thou.