[alabato]

Are you saying the west should allow human experiments on innocent (to-be-born) humans like in China just to keep the pace ? The right to decide what we do to your body, the right to not serve as guinea pig to experiments that aim to achieve a Nazi-like goal of creating a superior race... These are "vague" ethics? If you were currently dieing because of secondary effects due to an experiment we did on you as an embryo (and that you never needed) maybe you wouldn't find those "vague" ethics so useless.

[quotemstr]

The west performs human experimentation all the time for the sake of validating new drugs and surgical devices. While current standards are, IMHO, too strict, the system more or less works, and few people have serious ethical problems with clinical trials, despite clinical trials being literally human experimentation.

[alabato]

wow that's messed up :(. We experimented on a baby that :

1) never had the need of this experiment, it was not to cure him but to test the effect of messing with a certain gene.

2) we never had its consent (obviously)

I don't know about US, but in EU we don't experiment with people, without their concent and in order not to cure them, but to find how to build a stronger race.

That's a whole higher level of screwed up that just happened in China.

This is non-consenting human experiment in order not to cure but to find how to build a stronger race. This is not (as far as I know) in any way comparable to what is happening in the West

[pvaldes]

> in EU we don't experiment with people, without their concent and in order not to cure them, but to find how to build a stronger race.

"Involuntary Sterilization and Castration in Sweden and the Nordic Countries"

"In 1934, the first sterilisation act was enacted in Sweden followed by the first castration act in 1944. In 1972, Sweden became the first country in the world to enact legislation for the amendment of legally registered sex, however preconditioned on sterilisation. In the implementation of all these laws, voluntary and involuntary interventions have been made with legislative support... The involuntarily castrated [in the period 1972-2013] have still not received any reparations from the Swedish State [2018]"

https://www.soclaw.lu.se/en/node/394

It seems that authists and trans people were actively targetted for a long period of time.

[pvaldes]

authists -> autistics

[fspeech]

It is not allowed in China either if you are referring to the recent gene editing experiment. The researcher is widely denounced in China and will likely be in legal trouble.