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by anothergoogler 2761 days ago
I don't want somebody shooting for any reason on the BART.
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I don't either, but I'll be damned if I'm going to let some scummy BART thief rob and assault me when I have a concealed carry permit.
I don’t think anyone does, but I think that is besides the parent’s point.
Agreed. I don't want to be caught in the cross-fire between a criminal and a layman trying to be a hero.
What if that layman isn't trying to be a hero. What if they are just exercising their right to protect themselves or their family?

When the police in a municipality have the monopoly right to posess and use force to protect citizens, then citizens should expect them to actually keep them safe. If they fail in this duty, citizens should have recourse.

Oakland in particular has a very difficult problem prosecuting criminals. The "stop snitching" culture that is prevalent in urban, black communities, combined with historical mistrust of police, translates to no cooperation and no arrests. Criminals aren't being deterred, and are acting with impunity. Probability is on b your side in keeping you safe, until one day you're the unlucky target. You won't be able to defend yourself, the other riders will not help and will pretend to not see you, and you will feel the helplessness that I once felt when I was savagely beaten by several laughing teens in DC next to a metro station. None of them were caught, but the police were sure helpful in telling me that the station I went to was a bad place for white people to go and I shouldn't go there anymore.

Layman with weapons isn't ideal, but neither is the delusion that the police can keep you safe in an area rife with cultural dysfunction and the young, borderline psyco men who target anyone that looks like they are productive for predation.

Good points. And the idea of someone carrying immediately conjures up hero shaming. It's sad and hilarious.
> What if that layman isn't trying to be a hero.

Stray bullets don't care about the shooter's intentions.

The ideal is for the firearm to be a threat deterrence.

And that it would not be used.

Seems to me that escalating a situation with firearms increases the chances of a gun being shot.
The counterpoint is the coldwar and the threat being more powerful to the actual gun.
I know this sounds crazy, but I'd be willing to tolerate a modest number of bystander deaths if it meant a dramatic uptick in the number of criminal deaths. There can't be that many criminals. The steady-state equilibrium might be safer than the current regime, which is that criminals can assault (and kill) with little risk to themselves.

Of course I'd like my chance of death-by-bullet to be zero. But for whatever reason, that doesn't seem to be an option on the table.

> I know this sounds crazy, but I'd be willing to tolerate a modest number of bystander deaths if it meant a dramatic uptick in the number of criminal deaths.

I'm of the opinion that it's better for a criminal to walk free than for an innocent person to be punished or killed for something they have nothing to do with.

If criminals are walking free left and right, they will feel less afraid to commit more crimes, including murdering innocents.
> If criminals are walking free left and right

They aren't: conviction rates are high and crime rates are at record lows.

If the criminal kills innocent people all hope is lost in your opinion.