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by BoorishBears 2770 days ago
At the risk of sounding uncaring or such...

Ok?

I mean I don't get why the owner didn't try to find someone else to graciously take the reins without a fork (maybe they tried and couldn't find anyone?), but I don't get the dramatic post and very "taking my ball and going home" tone I'm getting.

Again, maybe it's just me looking to wrongly but when 4 out of 6 reasons are referring to yourself and not the project...

The bit about having to defend yourself on Twitter, I guess I don't know this person and how bad they have it, but I find it hard to imagine someone just inundated with Twitter noise over a library to the point they need to walk away in such an abrupt manner, like taking the slightest amount of time to transition would be life ending (definitely get not wanting to deal with noise over free work, but this is a known problem and they could have started a conversation about that), and I definitely don't see how this will reduce the amount of attention they get...

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Why even bother being on Twitter? I keep hearing developers encouraging each other to be active on Twitter, but who gives an actual fuck what goes on with Twitter? All it seems to do is generate drama on every front. Do developers(or anyone) really need to be on there? If I were the owner, I would have just closed my Twitter account in the face of demanding freeloaders.
Who, indeed.
I respect their right to be on Twitter in peace, but yeah I'd probably block users before I'd list Twitter complainers as a reason how I'm closing the lock on a popular library and throwing away the key instead of just walking away yourself... because that's definitely one way to get a lot of people (imo rightfully) complaining about what you did.

Also kind of kills your credibility in the future. Walking away over toxicity is fine, doing it like this? Not so great. (of course there's something especially egregious we don't know about, but they're laying a lot out in that post, I'd expect to see it there...)

> Also kind of kills your credibility in the future. Walking away over toxicity is fine, doing it like this? Not so great.

Credibility, yeah. Sure, this guy gave away his work for seven years but can we trust him to work for free in the future?

Exactly.

Because every day millions of people give away their work.

I give away my work. I've dealt with rude people using software I made since I was pretty much a kid, those people didn't know who their vitriol was directed at.

What makes this guy so special that to spite the vitriolic subset of all users he gets to be the one who throws a wrench in a project?

I said this in a comment below:

You think the kind of person who would insult a library maintainer on Twitter is going to read his Github issue?

"Oh it stopped getting updates" "Good, now my code won't break anymore!" "Security vulnerabilities in libraries? What?"

He's literally only spiting the very people who make projects like this worthwhile, the kinds of people who would want to submit PRs, make useful issues, and people with a genuine interest in the project, exactly what he's saying he lost.

Block only works after you know which users. At a certain scale it stops being “particular people get a grudge against you” and becomes “they're acting this way out of being in a particular cultural milieu and set of expectations”, and trying to block that is like trying to block the tide one water droplet at a time.
The creator made their work available for free. Sorry you don’t enjoy that they decided to stop doing that, for this project, in a way you don’t find agreeable.
You write as if he's obligated to continue to work for free...
Explain how me saying "he should walk away without archiving the project" equates to he should continue to work for free?
It seems like the owner was trying to find someone for over a year and nothing panned out:

https://github.com/FineUploader/fine-uploader/issues/1881

Looks like the opposite? Thread ends with saying someone new is taking the reins, that person is part of the FileUploader organization, there's even a commit to formally end the search made that same day...
> I don't get why [...] I find it hard to imagine [...]

Perhaps consider that your failure to understand how this person feels the way they do is just that: your failure.

It makes sense to me, though. I've burnt out before, and I know what that feels like. Open-source work can feel entirely thankless, and rarely pays the bills. It's very easy to get sucked into working hard to serve others while getting little in return.

He spent 7 years giving people a free gift. People should be grateful. But instead, as you so clearly demonstrate, people can easily be clueless and entitled, demanding more work and criticizing people they have no standing to criticize.

If you really think somebody should maintain this library, it's right there. Fork it and show us how a project really should be run. And if you won't, maybe reflect on why you think he's obligated to labor for free to live up to your standards when you won't live up to your own.