[tomohawk]

This is like saying, in 1939, its sad because it sure seems like the Germans would make far better allies for us. There were plenty of people who said that, but With the Nazis in power, they were very wrong.

The Iranian government is a police state controlled by a bunch of fanatical fascists, who are one of the most successful terrorism exporting states ever. Just recently they were caught attempting to kill people in Belgium and France. And those are just the recent catches.

[mikeash]

And that’s different from the Saudis how?

[tomohawk]

The Iranians are very aggressively attempting to take over the middle east. The Egyptians Saudis are attempting to prevent this. The battlefields today are Yemen, Syria, Iraq, Lebanon, and Palestine.

[mikeash]

What stops the Saudis from doing the same? Given current events, it looks like they are.

[tomohawk]

Their vastly smaller population. Also, unlike Iran, they have not been talking about doing things like wiping out Isreal, etc.

Once Iran consolidates power in the areas they're operating in (Yemen, Iraq, Syria), the next obvious target is Saudi Arabia.

[mikeash]

Back to your 1939 analogy, that sounds just like reasons for allying with the Nazis.

[prolikewh0a]

Could you please provide sources?

[ryanlol]

What do you need sources for? tomohawks characterization of Iran? That seems like a really strange thing to need sources for.

[prolikewh0a]

No it doesn't. I've read manufactured consent. I understand and see the propaganda being targeted at Iran by USA, Saudi, & Israel. This is how we got into the Iraq war. I would like sources.

[ryanlol]

Come on. Do you not read the news or are you just going to reply with "fake news" next?

Here, a source for the murder plot:

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-46043404

> a police state controlled by a bunch of fanatical fascists

This is a country that regularly reaffirms its Fatwa calling for the murder of Salman Rushdie. In 2016 they even increased the bounty for his murder.

[prolikewh0a]

Im sorry, I just don't trust the people who got us into the Iraq war to tell us anything about foreign policy from three war monger countries being funded by US imperialism.

Iraq, libya, afghanistan, vietnam, laos, cambodia, korea, all based on lies which corporate media sold to us. That's only the tip of the iceberg too.

I am skeptical, and so should everyone else. If we aren't skeptical, we'll be going "why the heck did we do this?" in 8 years.

>This is a country that regularly reaffirms its Fatwa calling for the murder of Salman Rushdie. In 2016 they even increased the bounty for his murder.

Saudi Arabia just killed a journalist with no reprocussions, is bombing the absolute shit out of Yemen (civilians!) using US weapons and intelligence. Democracy Now! had an episode this week about Israeli, US, & Saudi targeted assassination programs.

It's easy to see that the corporate media is selling this potential war. How do you trust it?

In my opinion, the rest of the world should be stopping US, Israel, and Saudi from continuing their global terrorism programs and ending imperialism.

[mmjaa]

>In my opinion, the rest of the world should be stopping US, Israel, and Saudi from continuing their global terrorism programs and ending imperialism.

You are not alone. There are many of us in the West who tire of the duplicity and arrogance of our governments actions around the world - those of us who have taken the time to actually educate ourselves about the statistics of the Wests' Coalition War Machine find ourselves nearly overwhelmed, daily, with disdain at what we so-called enlightened civilians are allowing our governments to do around the world, in our name.

Just the fact that nobody knows what's going on in Yemen at the moment (imperialist war machine out of control), but can easily name the Kardashians, is disheartening enough.

But if you ever meet refugees from countries victimised by America's illegal, heinous wars, its another thing entirely. If you don't get angry about what our war machines are doing, you're simply on the wrong side this time around.

This time, we are the bad guys.