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by anon2775 2769 days ago
Disclaimer: I barely survived the Camp Fire, with all the credit to our neighbors for letting us know.

That's a chick-little, strawman and blame-the-victim argument. The issues are:

1. PGE likely started the fire. They should be held responsible for this specific incident, not passing the buck to ratepayers or anyone else.

2. PGE is corrupting and coopting liability when it needs to pay the penalties for its actions, not pass the buck. This is separate from 1. because it indicates a greater decay of liability and they're insulating themselves to gradually become an untouchable mafia.

3. In order to get 2., removing SIG, PAC and large private monies, and all those who benefit from them, from politics is imperative.

4. Paradise is a tiny town that doesn't do a very good job with code enforcement. My mom had to mobilize the neighbors to get an abandoned propery's owner to mow their 7 ft tall, dried weeds and remove fire other hazards like an abandoned house with a tree crashed through it, but then the institutionalized owner later allowed a random tree-trimmer to dump dozens of piles of pine sawdust and logs on that property. SMH.

5. "Regulations" aren't an uniform obelisk to scapegoat that you implied. One regulation maybe advantageous or harmful uniquely to each and every affected group, depending. So don't even start spreading the tired, libertarian, utopian refrains like "If only there were no regulations, markets solve everything," which is utter horseshit. Regulations can and do work but only if the governed demand it and refuse to allow the rich and their corporations to have their way.

It's the POLR for most former/current homeowners to move to where professional town managers exist rather than deal with small-town incompetence like the bumblers in Paradise or Butte's Sheriff Kory's flimsy excuse for not activating the EAS, which likely caused the needless deaths of hundreds of disabled and elderly people.

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I'm definitely in favour of PG&E getting hit hard for this one due to what appears to be gross negligence on their part.

_But_, doesn't the liability also, in part, apply to the state and/or the federal government? How far did the fire unnecessarily spread? Was the land in the area being properly maintained, with good fire breaks, routine controlled burns etc, or are they skimping like they have been all over the country?