[yellowbkpk]

OSM editors are prevented from using Google Maps because OSM prefers that we have explicit permission to use data sources. Since we don't have explicit permission to use Google Maps, we can't use it.

Separately, Google Maps has a terms of use that prevent reuse of Google Maps data. You agree to those terms when visiting Google Maps or using Google Maps API.

You wouldn't be breaking copyright law when copying from Google Maps to OSM, you'd be breaking the terms of use contract with Google and community Norma expectations in OSM.

[codedokode]

> You agree to those terms when visiting Google Maps or using Google Maps API.

Those terms are not even presented on the screen when visiting Google Maps. And even if they were, I didn't sign anything or agree to anything. It is ridiculous if those terms are legally binding. Because then I will make a site and make you pay $1 for every page viewed.

[yorwba]

> And even if they were, I didn't sign anything or agree to anything. It is ridiculous if those terms are legally binding.

Contracts don't need to be signed to be valid (when was the last time you signed a contract with an online shop). And if you don't agree to the terms, then you're using the site without permission and can be sued for damages. But the exact amount to pay can't just be any made-up number.

Similarly, if you walk into a shop, take an apple and eat it; then when the shopkeeper demands a million dollars, you can refuse to agree. Then the shopkeeper is free to sue you for destroying his property and you will be ordered to compensate him, although probably not for the full amount.

[db48x]

Except that Google has a credible threat: they can delete your account, including your email, your Android applications, your Youtube videos, etc.

[__david__]

That's only a threat if you use Google for those things.

[rmc]

Fair enough. But the OSM project would rather not try to find the legal limits of this idea, and would rather play it safe.