[jernfrost]

Some people seem to somehow wish that us Europeans are furious that we don't have colonies anymore and that we are deeply nostalgic about it. Now I am not from a European country that had colonies, but I think it is pretty universal in Europe that, people are not missing the colonies.

European are happy about where we are today. We are fighting less among each other than ever before. A continent of violence and become a continent of peace.

Europe tops pretty much all worlds statistics on happiness, health, well-being and prosperity.

I have no problems with the right wingers in Europe being angry about us not dominating the rest of the world. Let them be angry, it only brings me schadenfreude.

Besides I don't think Europeans honestly care that much about it. I see American fretting much more about the position in the world. They are afraid of not being number ONE anymore. I think most of us Europeans have long accepted that reality.

IMHO Europe's future is brighter than most other places. Global climate change will affect us much less than the rest. Unlike Asia, we don't have the same demographic time bomb. China, Korea and Japan will suffer major setbacks as their populations gray far too quickly.

The middle east will be screwed when the world no longer runs on oil.

I am hoping for a better future for Africa, but it will take a VERY long time for Africa to catch up with Europe.

The US has a pretty bright future as well I think, but it will likely suffer a lot from political polarization and economic inequality and social problems. Yet the US has been through the same so much of its history.

India will be a lot better off than today, but most Indians have a very long time to go to get anywhere near European levels of prosperity. That could take another 60-100 years.

[negamax]

I am not against a prosperous Europe. Neither do I believe in living in the past. Simply stating the facts that Europe’s wealth is because of world looting. And it would be better that everyone understands where money comes from. Everyday that passes results in less exploitation

I largely agree with what you said. But either of us don’t understand how large complex systems change

There's this strange hint of Europe doing better than everyone else in your message. I assure you, that won't be the case.

[asianthrowaway]

> Simply stating the facts that Europe’s wealth is because of world looting

I'd like to see some sources for those "facts". What exactly happened? Europeans came into Africa and Asia and stole all the factories, leaving Africans and Asians to revert back to agricultural societies?

[yazan94]

Or Europeans went to Africa, Asia, and the Americas and extracted as much of the natural resources as possible at the expense of the indigenous populations and without a thought to the future sustainability of the lands. Some examples that spring to mind:

* Spanish silver mining in the Americas. 150,000 tonnes of silver were extracted between 1500-1800 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_silver_trade_from_the_1...). It isn't hard to understand who benefited from that silver, Spain or the South American colonies.

* African slave trade which exported 10-15 million people from Africa. In 1850, Africa had about 50 million people when it should have had closer to 100 million, when accounting for lack of reproduction, if it weren't for the slave trade (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economic_history_of_Africa#Atl...)

> Europeans came into Africa and Asia and stole all the factories, leaving Africans and Asians to revert back to agricultural societies?

How about actively passing laws to make sure that the colonies could not survive without the mother country by restricting trade. Maybe start reading about these colonial times a bit more. What you find may surprise you

[asianthrowaway]

The Spanish silver mines actually ended up bankrupting Spain by causing runaway inflation. Not really a good example!

[yazan94]

yes, but that was years down the line. And the point was replying to your earlier rebuke of this:

> Simply stating the facts that Europe’s wealth is because of world looting

I would say my example actually makes my point very well in that context.