[bigpicture]

> Don’t underestimate AMD’s ability to shoot itself in the foot.

Every single consumer-targeted Intel chip has integrated graphics capable of displaying a 4k movie on the screen/tv without so much as breaking a sweat. AMD has exactly 3 Ryzen chips with that capability, none of which fit into their "Lot's of cores!" strategy. I'm not sure that AMD understands what drives the majority of consumer purchases.

[GiorgioG]

Non-technical, non-gaming consumers don't care about integrated graphics. They're fine with whatever's in the box. But for folks like me (and many others here) who build their own machines, we typically don't settle for integrated graphics. I have 2 4k monitor and I occasionally game, sure the latest and greatest Intel chips can probably do the multi-monitor setup, but I doubt you can play Call of Duty Black Ops 4 on them and expect a reasonable framerate.