[chillacy]

Depends who is defining what is ethical of course. The fact that ethics is cultural will mean that each side will probably think they are the most ethical.

To disprove that claim: try to come up with an ethical framework which makes no mention of a higher power as justification, and tell us why it is better than all others. Most land on some variant of utilitarianism and then disagree what the objective function should be.

[IllogicalLogic]

We can dance around the idea of ethics or we can actually look at historical actions taken by both. Putting the Chinese & US government interventionism on the same plain for objective ethics judgements is a joke (regardless of whos cultural ethical standards you use).

[lamarpye]

Serious question, are you just hand waving the Cultural Revolution away or have you never heard of it?

Maybe it's like a C and a program stack, they just don't teach it in college anymore, because it's not important and you don't need to know about it.

[hnmonkey]

All of his/her comments in this post are seemingly only there to stir up people. There's no evidence behind the things they're saying other than a hand-waving attempt at minimizing China's bad faith actions by saying others do similar things. When arguing that someone who is 10/10 bad is equal to someone that is 4/10 bad you have to really reach to equate the two and not see the nuance.

[IllogicalLogic]

There is no evidence? Too funny, I was hoping the work required was just reminding this (expected educated) audience of history, rather than teaching a full course myself.

There is a reason the statue of Lin Zexu is in Chatham Square, NYC.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lin_Zexu

[hnmonkey]

Your posts in this thread have continually grown more and more incivil and arrogant in defense of Chinese spying. Stating that you thought this audience HN was smart but now you realize you have to teach this audience on HN is incredibly condescending. What do you get out of taking this stance towards this audience?