I also recently bought one (~3 months ago?). My main reason for getting the machine was the small weight and size. I'm a fairly small person with small hands and like to travel extremely light for work (which is very often).
The keyboard was my biggest concern since I've been touch typing most of my life.
The v2 butterfly keyboard are a marked improvement over the first gen. The first gen was very difficult for me to type on due to the small key travel -- it felt like I was typing on glass.
With the second gen, I did a lot of in-store testing and speed tests. My speed only dropped to like 80-something WPM from my normal ~100 wpm. Within a few hours of owning the machine, I was pretty much back to full. (Their return policy is also something to keep in mind if the keyboard concerns you)
It increasingly has become quite possibly my favorite keyboard ever. I'm even unashamed to say that I prefer it over my mechanical keyboards. Never thought I'd say that about a laptop keyboard. Obviously down to personal preference.
I'd say if you haven't tried the v2 butterfly keyboards (can't speak to the v3), try to give them a test with an open mind. Do a couple typing tests. Type as close to normal as possible (both speed and subject).
> whether you use it much for text input (such as emails) or programming
I use it extensively (>8 hours a day) for programming, emails, and chat. The only thing I don't really do with it is play games (not exactly a gaming machine).
For some added background, I also used an Acer Aspire One 522e netbook running Linux for a few years (this was a while ago), so I definitely have some abnormal tastes when it comes to daily driver machines.
Overall, the only thing I'd change about this laptop is I'd swap out the headphone jack for another USB-C port, but even that isn't that big of a deal (to me).
did you use previous generations of macbook (before the butterfly keyboard was introduced) such as 2012? how does it compare?
I find it odd that you say it's fine if you're "forced to" use it, like your standard for a laptop keyboard isn't one that you should be able to use regularly (and you mention bringing your own). was wondering why you have this attitude...
I've had all generations of keyboards on multiple machines going back to the 1st gen Macbook Pro (early 2008).
I type just as fast on the butterfly mechanism as any other, a consistent 90wpm with no mistakes and scattershot up to about 130 wpm during programming. I've been at this speed for about 2 decades now, going all the way back to using a vintage model M keyboard, an AEII keyboard, etc.
I sometimes go back and forth between my newer MBPs and a 2014 I still have. It takes about an hour of adjustment to get my speed up when switching.
Thanks for this detailed info. (I type at similar speeds as you.) So when you use the butterfly keyboard at a cafe for example, is your initial feeling a bit of frustration (ah this again), since you did use the expression "forced to use it"...
I don't really have much of a preference TBH. That slightly less action actually translates into a bit less work... my touch lightens and my fingers move less. I don't think I could live with the 1st gen used on the original 12" Macbooks though.
I mean the keyboard isn’t amazing: the key travel is still tiny. But, it doesn’t have that top row replaced with a touch screen, which I would never look at (let alone touch) anyway.
EDIT: ahh, you were wondering about the size. I have small hands and type on it with ease. No complaints :)
It's funny how "the keyboard" actually identifies a number of issues, of which only one has been fixed:
1. The Memebar ("TouchBar") is thankfully gone.
2. If a single molecule of dust gets under a key, the key has a non-zero chance of no longer working.
3. The travel distance is basically non-existent, like typing on a squishier iPad.
Seeing them deal with 1 in at least some capacity gives me hope that they will deal with issue 2 by the third or fourth iteration of the keyboard. Unfortunately there is no chance of issue 3 being addressed.
4. If you're working in an office and someone has headphones on the lack of travel causes them to type angrily and loudly as if they were pretending to work in a sarcastic manner.
Can always tell when users of this laptop have headphones on just from the typing noise.
The keyboard was my biggest concern since I've been touch typing most of my life.
The v2 butterfly keyboard are a marked improvement over the first gen. The first gen was very difficult for me to type on due to the small key travel -- it felt like I was typing on glass.
With the second gen, I did a lot of in-store testing and speed tests. My speed only dropped to like 80-something WPM from my normal ~100 wpm. Within a few hours of owning the machine, I was pretty much back to full. (Their return policy is also something to keep in mind if the keyboard concerns you)
It increasingly has become quite possibly my favorite keyboard ever. I'm even unashamed to say that I prefer it over my mechanical keyboards. Never thought I'd say that about a laptop keyboard. Obviously down to personal preference.
I'd say if you haven't tried the v2 butterfly keyboards (can't speak to the v3), try to give them a test with an open mind. Do a couple typing tests. Type as close to normal as possible (both speed and subject).
> whether you use it much for text input (such as emails) or programming
I use it extensively (>8 hours a day) for programming, emails, and chat. The only thing I don't really do with it is play games (not exactly a gaming machine).
For some added background, I also used an Acer Aspire One 522e netbook running Linux for a few years (this was a while ago), so I definitely have some abnormal tastes when it comes to daily driver machines.
Overall, the only thing I'd change about this laptop is I'd swap out the headphone jack for another USB-C port, but even that isn't that big of a deal (to me).