[geodel]

I think weight wise MacBook Air is not much lighter than MacBook Pro 13". But it is about 500 dollar cheaper than MBP with newer 8th gen processor. I guess will wait until MBA gets cheaper or cheaper MBPs get new processor and keyboard.

[masklinn]

> I think weight wise MacBook Air is not much lighter than MacBook Pro 13". But it is about 500 dollar cheaper than MBP with newer 8th gen processor.

Except it's a dual-core Y-series (same as the macbook) while the 13" MBP gets a quad-core 25W U-series, and the MBP comes with double the storage (that alone accounts for $200) and connectivity.

[geodel]

You are of course right. I was mainly looking 12-1300ish MBP with newer processor or about 1000 dollar MBA. Since I can wait for a year or longer, maybe there will be better pricing then.

[pier25]

> and keyboard

I'm also waiting for new keyboards but I fear it will take a couple of years.

I imagine a new keyboard means a complete redesign, and considering the new MBPs were released in late 2016 I doubt we will see new models before 2020.

Apple used to release new Mac models ever 2-3 years but the Mac line is not a priority anymore (it's only 10% of Apple's revenue).

[rectang]

Weren't the keyboard reliability issues largely addressed with the addition of membranes which keep out debris? Or is it a change of feel that you're hoping for?

[SyneRyder]

Anecdata, but I've heard of people with the 3rd-gen keyboards with the membranes having the same problems.

https://mjtsai.com/blog/2018/10/16/the-2018-macbook-keyboard...

https://twitter.com/arno_app/status/1056943680249061383

[geodel]

I think MBP 2018 and new MBA have different keyboards. MBP just added improvements but MBA one is called 3rd gen keyboards.

[stevewodil]

As far as I can tell both are using the same keyboard which is the 3rd generation of the butterfly switches

[mh8h]

The first gen was the first 12" Macbook. The second gen was the MBP with the high failure rate. The 3rd gen was the design with the additional membrane that was introduced with the MBP update earlier this year.

[geodel]

Guess I am mistaken then.

[pier25]

I saw people with the newer ones that still had problems.

The other problem is noise.