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by kiesel 2785 days ago
So, what could it be that makes iPhones "react" with helium? Helium is an inert gas and shouldn't really chemically react with anything in there.

Any clues why such an environment doesn't make Android phones behave in such a way?

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The same thread explains it here: https://old.reddit.com/r/sysadmin/comments/9si6r9/postmortem.... Sounds plausible to me.

If it wasn't dangerous one could try the same with hydrogen. If the post is correct it should have a similar effect (if the device doesn't explode during the test).

Basically electronic oscillators rely on a very small piece of quartz crystal that is cut in just the right shape. Quartz has a phenomena called piezoelectricity, where if you apply an electric field, it deflects slightly. Conversely, if you deflect it, it creates a small electric potential. A properly shaped quartz, when exposed to some circuitry (oscillator circuitry; positive feedback), it will resonant at its natural frequency, not unlike how a tuning fork resonates at its natural frequency.

Since the crystal is literally vibrating inside the metal can it's packaged in, the atmosphere around the crystal influences the natural frequency. Helium will make it vibrate it faster, since it presents less air resistance to the crystal.

Note, however, that MEMS oscillators (which modern iPhones use) and quartz oscillators are not the same thing. SiTime's MEMS oscillator is made of silicon, not quartz.
Would an iPhone lock up in a vacuum?
"Any clues why such an environment doesn't make Android phones behave in such a way?"

A bit of googling seems to indicate most smart phones have a crystal oscillator. But, Android would have the advantage of manufacturer diversity...so lots of different types of crystal oscillators, perhaps some that are sealed better than the iphone ones, or quartz vs silicon, etc.

This does sort of illustrate an issue with the iphone tech monoculture. Lots of devices with similar components, and similar versions of software. Find something that adversely affects them, and you can disrupt a lot of people. It's probably hard to find something similar for Android since the hardware and even software varies a lot.

Most crystals have better sealing :-). SiTime explicitly(-ish) acknowledges that their older-generation packaging was less efficient on their website:

"How effective is the hermetic seal of MEMS oscillators??

One of the key elements enabling extremely stable MEMS resonators is SiTime’s EpiSeal™ process which hermetically seals the resonators during wafer processing, eliminating any need for hermetically sealed ceramic packaging. SiTime’s EpiSeal resonator is impervious to the highest concentration elements in the atmosphere, nitrogen and oxygen, and therefore acts as a perfect seal. Previous generations of EpiSeal resonators may have been impacted by large concentrations of small-molecule gas. Newer EpiSeal resonators are impervious to all small-molecule gases. Please contact SiTime in case you are planning to use a SiTime device in large concentrations of small-molecule gas, so that we can recommend an appropriate, immune part."

https://www.sitime.com/support/faqs

Apple uses these oscillators. They are substantially more expensive than crystal oscillators, but are much smaller and use less power. This may explain why the Android phones, which are more price sensitive, didn't use them. It does seem that the current generation of SiTime oscillators don't have a problem with Helium, so perhaps current generation iPhones don't either.